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[Torre Wenaus <wenaus AT gmail.com>]

Tadashi is planning our representation at this workshop. 

Immediately below I include some further info from Charles Legget, arrived in my inbox via Brett.

Charles Leggett via cce-paw <cce-paw AT lists.anl.gov> writes:

> I asked the organizers of the FAIROS workshop for a bit more info, as there isn't much on the indico, and they responded
> with this:
>
> Across HEP there has been a growing interest in using workflow language tools to be able to make analyses more
> reproducible, easier to run, easier to adopt for new students, and more efficient (both in terms of analyst time and in
> terms of compute). This has been a topic across multiple workshops, including in 2023 PyHEP.dev 2023 and CHEP 2023.
> Following these events we started to have more discussions on the topics of:
>
> * Why do we not already see much workflow language use in HEP? (outside of the use of RECAST and REANA in ATLAS, though
> adoption there has been slow and somewhat painful)
> * Are there systemic reasons for this that reflect a fundamental difference in how HEP operates vs. other areas where
> workflow language usage has thrived (such as bioinformatics)?
> * What do the developers of the major open source workflow language tools think about how HEP analysis is done, and how
> would they envision our workflows being adapted for their tools?
> * If workflow languages are a good fit for HEP, how do we educate the technical experts and how can we make the adoption
> for physics groups and new students easier?
>
> The goals of the workshop are to bring together experts and ehtusiasts in workflow language usage and tool development
> from both inside of HEP and from the broader open source tool community (e.g. a member of the Snakemake dev team have
> agreed to come to CERN to participate) and from other areas of science that are using workflow languages and to have
> discussions and deomonstrations that help to answer some of the questions above and more. While we plan on having the
> discussions be very technical we are also going to create a higher level summary report from the workshop (to go up on
> arXiv) that captures the experiences and recommendations from the participants that can serve as an additional
> recommendation guide to the community, in addition to some of the other workflow languages applied to physics summary
> reports that already exist.
>
> Across HEP there has been a growing interest in using workflow language tools to be able to make analyses more
> reproducible, easier to run, easier to adopt for new students, and more efficient (both in terms of analyst time and in
> terms of compute). This has been a topic across multiple workshops, including in 2023 PyHEP.dev 2023 and CHEP 2023.
> Following these events we started to have more discussions on the topics of:
>
> * Why do we not already see much workflow language use in HEP? (outside of the use of RECAST and REANA in ATLAS, though
> adoption there has been slow and somewhat painful)
> * Are there systemic reasons for this that reflect a fundamental difference in how HEP operates vs. other areas where
> workflow language usage has thrived (such as bioinformatics)?
> * What do the developers of the major open source workflow language tools think about how HEP analysis is done, and how
> would they envision our workflows being adapted for their tools?
> * If workflow languages are a good fit for HEP, how do we educate the technical experts and how can we make the adoption
> for physics groups and new students easier?
>
> The goals of the workshop are to bring together experts and ehtusiasts in workflow language usage and tool development
> from both inside of HEP and from the broader open source tool community (e.g. a member of the Snakemake dev team have
> agreed to come to CERN to participate) and from other areas of science that are using workflow languages and to have
> discussions and deomonstrations that help to answer some of the questions above and more. While we plan on having the
> discussions be very technical we are also going to create a higher level summary report from the workshop (to go up on
> arXiv) that captures the experiences and recommendations from the participants that can serve as an additional
> recommendation guide to the community, in addition to some of the other workflow languages applied to physics summary
> reports that already exist.
>
> The first days we're going to prioritize talks, demonstrations, and discussions with the participants from outside of HEP.
> Then Thursday afternoon and Friday we're going to tun more inwards to have there be more filed and experiment discussions.
> We're in the process of inviting talks and getting an agenda finalized by next week.
>
> The workshop will take place at the CERN IdeaSquare, which will also hopefully help push the discussion aspects more.

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Matthew Feickert <mfeickert AT gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 7:42 PM
Subject: FAIROS-HEP workshop on workflow languages for HEP analysis: Registration open
To: <announcements AT iris-hep.org>

Dear Colleague,

We would like to announce that registration is open for the FAIROS-HEP workshop on workflow languages for HEP analysis, taking place at CERN over April 3rd-5th, 2024 (3 days). This workshop will bring together experts on workflow languages and workflow management tools from the HEP and broader scientific open source software communities, and facilitate a dialogue between them.

This workshop is intended for developers of tools that build on workflow languages and advanced users of workflow languages in HEP contexts, though anyone interested is welcome to register.

There are no workshop fees. However, the in-person registration will be limited given room space constraints at CERN. There will be a remote connection made available for those who would like to attend the workshop but are not able to attend in-person.

Please see the Indico agenda (https://indico.cern.ch/event/1380367/) for further details and direct any questions to the workshop organisers at workflow-languages-workshop-organisers AT cern.ch.

We look forward to seeing you in April,
The workshop organising committee

Clemens Lange (CMS, Paul Scherrer Institut)
Jamie Gooding (LHCb, SMARTHEP, Technische Universität Dortmund)
Kyle Cranmer (ATLAS, IRIS-HEP, FAIROS-HEP, University of Wisconsin-Madison)
Lukas Heinrich (ATLAS, Technical University Munich)
Matthew Feickert (ATLAS, IRIS-HEP, University of Wisconsin-Madison)
workflow-languages-workshop-organisers AT cern.ch 

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