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Re: [Sphenix-bulk-l] questions on 'Bulk_TG_2_6 - 02-06-24-pi0-vn-update-v2.pdf'
- From: Vladimir Bumazhnov <bumaznov AT rcf.rhic.bnl.gov>
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- Subject: Re: [Sphenix-bulk-l] questions on 'Bulk_TG_2_6 - 02-06-24-pi0-vn-update-v2.pdf'
- Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2024 16:41:46 +0300
Dear Apurva and
All,
Thank you for replies to my questions.
Some clarifications on my questions:
Of course only if you have already done it or know the links where it was done.
2) I was interested in the average value of <Psi_MBD - Psi_TPC > for all events, where Psi_MBD и Psi_TPC are the event planes
for MBD and TPC detectors.
It would be better, of course, to look at the distribution on <Psi_EP-Psi_RP> for MBD и TPC from the simulated DST,
where there is a Psi_RP reaction plane for each event.
3) Using the average values (V2_M, V2_bg) for the V2_pi0 corrections is, of course, some approximation. It should be tested on
a simulation in which everything is known about the signal and background particles in the peak region. In this case,
you can get V2_pi0 and V2_bg in the peak region.
And see how this compares to V2_M in the peak region. GEANT is not needed for this. You only need a generator with ancestry information.
With best regards,
Vladimir
Thank you for replies to my questions.
Some clarifications on my questions:
Of course only if you have already done it or know the links where it was done.
2) I was interested in the average value of <Psi_MBD - Psi_TPC > for all events, where Psi_MBD и Psi_TPC are the event planes
for MBD and TPC detectors.
It would be better, of course, to look at the distribution on <Psi_EP-Psi_RP> for MBD и TPC from the simulated DST,
where there is a Psi_RP reaction plane for each event.
3) Using the average values (V2_M, V2_bg) for the V2_pi0 corrections is, of course, some approximation. It should be tested on
a simulation in which everything is known about the signal and background particles in the peak region. In this case,
you can get V2_pi0 and V2_bg in the peak region.
And see how this compares to V2_M in the peak region. GEANT is not needed for this. You only need a generator with ancestry information.
With best regards,
Vladimir
13.02.2024 02:45, Narde, Apurva пишет:
Dear
Vladimir,
Thank
you for your feedback and questions regarding our Bulk TG
meeting update. After discussing with Anthony, here are our
responses to your points:
1)
During the meeting, we addressed that we plan to switch the
official MBD Q vectors once available and that this is a
temporary approach. Yes, the second-order correction does not
improve much compared to the first-order, but we are unsure if
this increases our statistical uncertainties.
2)
If you were referring to the event plane resolutions, no one
has tried measuring the psi2 resolution with the TPC.
3)
Anthony did an analysis on extracting the background corrected
v2 of the pi0s, which can be found
here:
This
factorizes into two issues: One is the large uncertainty
coming from the S/B term, which we're cross-checking. The
other is the sensitivity of the background term to the S/B,
but that will also be present in the equations you suggested.
We can discuss this further during our weekly PPG meeting.
Sincerely,
Apurva
Narde
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Subject: [Sphenix-bulk-l] questions on 'Bulk_TG_2_6 - 02-06-24-pi0-vn-update-v2.pdf'
Dear Apurva and
All,
I have some questions on the 'Bulk_TG_2_6 - 02-06-24-pi0-vn-update-v2.pdf'
If some questions have already been asked at the presentation, please
skip such my questions.
1) page 6 I can see that 2-nd order correction does not give
anything. And probably increases the stat error. May be it is not
needed?
2)You measure the azimuthal angles of the particles relative to the
event plane. EMCal overlaps the area (-1.1,1.1) by eta.
You determine the event plane by MBD. MBD overlaps the areas (3.56 ,
4.45 ) and (-4.45,-3.56).
How will the event plane determined by MBD differ from the event plane
determined by the charged particles
in the central region (from TPC) ?
3) page 14 I do not understand the _expression_ for correction of
V2_pi0. It may be better to try this approximation:
V2_M = V2_pi0/N_pi0 * n_pi0 + V2_bg/N_bg * n_bg and then
V2_pi0 = [V2_M - V2_bg *(n_bg/N_bg)] * (N_pi0/n_pi0)
Here N_pi0 is the number of pi0's in signal region (μ±2σ) , n_pi0 is
the number of pi0's in selected part of signal region
(μ±x) and |x|<=2σ. At (|x| = 2σ ) n_pi0 = N_pi0. N_bg is the number of
diphoton combinations in background region (μ+3σ, 0.5 GeV) and
n_bg is the number of background diphoton combinations in the same
signal region (μ±x) and |x|<=2σ.
With best regards,
Vladimir
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I have some questions on the 'Bulk_TG_2_6 - 02-06-24-pi0-vn-update-v2.pdf'
If some questions have already been asked at the presentation, please
skip such my questions.
1) page 6 I can see that 2-nd order correction does not give
anything. And probably increases the stat error. May be it is not
needed?
2)You measure the azimuthal angles of the particles relative to the
event plane. EMCal overlaps the area (-1.1,1.1) by eta.
You determine the event plane by MBD. MBD overlaps the areas (3.56 ,
4.45 ) and (-4.45,-3.56).
How will the event plane determined by MBD differ from the event plane
determined by the charged particles
in the central region (from TPC) ?
3) page 14 I do not understand the _expression_ for correction of
V2_pi0. It may be better to try this approximation:
V2_M = V2_pi0/N_pi0 * n_pi0 + V2_bg/N_bg * n_bg and then
V2_pi0 = [V2_M - V2_bg *(n_bg/N_bg)] * (N_pi0/n_pi0)
Here N_pi0 is the number of pi0's in signal region (μ±2σ) , n_pi0 is
the number of pi0's in selected part of signal region
(μ±x) and |x|<=2σ. At (|x| = 2σ ) n_pi0 = N_pi0. N_bg is the number of
diphoton combinations in background region (μ+3σ, 0.5 GeV) and
n_bg is the number of background diphoton combinations in the same
signal region (μ±x) and |x|<=2σ.
With best regards,
Vladimir
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[Sphenix-bulk-l] questions on 'Bulk_TG_2_6 - 02-06-24-pi0-vn-update-v2.pdf',
Vladimir Bumazhnov, 02/12/2024
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Re: [Sphenix-bulk-l] questions on 'Bulk_TG_2_6 - 02-06-24-pi0-vn-update-v2.pdf',
Narde, Apurva, 02/12/2024
- Re: [Sphenix-bulk-l] questions on 'Bulk_TG_2_6 - 02-06-24-pi0-vn-update-v2.pdf', Vladimir Bumazhnov, 02/14/2024
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Re: [Sphenix-bulk-l] questions on 'Bulk_TG_2_6 - 02-06-24-pi0-vn-update-v2.pdf',
Narde, Apurva, 02/12/2024
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