sPHENIX cold QCD topical group

[Yuji Goto <goto AT bnl.gov>]

Hi John,

Thanks for your reply. If we have our own test beam in spring, we'd like to consider combined test with a forward HCal prototype. We're collaborating with STAR & EIC HCal group and they have a test beam in April. In either chance, we hope we can test the HCal performance with the plug door.

In addition, I want to add one comment on your idea of the forward calorimetry. You mention p+A physics, but we should also include polarized p+p and p+A physics, as was included in the previous documents. It makes more people to have interest and to be involved.

Yuji 

On 2018/12/13 20:10, Lajoie, John G [PHYSA] wrote:

Hi Yuji,

    As far as light yield and resolution, I don't know how to answer that without a test beam, especially given the age of the E864 modules. I think a lot of this will have to do with the light guides, and here we have an advantage compared to the central barrel EMCal because our light guide design won't be so constrained in length by the available space. I've been talking about this with Sean Stoll and John H. and we have some ideas, but I need someone to actually do the light guide design.

    I've secured a module from Stony Brook and they have graciously agreed to cut it down and polish it for us. If we keep the same 2x2 SiPM design for each tower as the barrel EMCal then we can borrow the electronics directly.  The main missing piece that needs to be designed and manufactured are the light guides.

    The plan would be to install this inside the plug door. As for going to FNAL we don't have a complete plan yet, but we are working on it. 

John

On 12/12/2018 11:13 PM, Yuji Goto wrote:

Dear John, et al.,

Thank you for this interesting idea.
One concern I have is a light yield. Does this give us much enough
light yield for good enough energy resolution?
I want to ask you more questions. Do you plan to install this inside
of the return yoke, or outside? Do we have a plan of FNAL test beam
this spring?

Best regards,
Yuji

On 2018/12/11 8:07, Lajoie, John G [PHYSA] wrote:

Dear Cold-QCD'ers:

Sasha, Ralf and I had a very productive discussion at the collaboration meeting about ways to jump-start possible forward instrumentation for sPHENIX.  In fact, the discussions resulted in a concrete set of action items we plan to pursue, so I thought it might be best to share this with the full cold QCD list so people are aware of what we are thinking and have an opportunity to participate.

First, some background -

As many of you are aware, spurred on by the work on the sPHENIX forward instrumentation paper from last year, Joe Osborn and I have been working with Hannu Paukunnen and his EPPS16 collaborators to estimate how well a comprehensive set of measurements in p+A at RHIC could constrain nuclear PDF's. At the present time they are working to include prompt photon pseudodata, and this again brought of the issue of forward prompt photons with (f)sPHENIX. At about the same time I visited Uniplast in Russia with Edward Kistenev, who suggested a passable EMCal could be made by cutting down the existing E864 Pb/Scifi calorimeter (10x10cm^2) towers to ~16cm in length and segmenting them with smaller light guides - 2cmx2cm would be close to the Moliere radius. (For those not familiar with the E864 calorimeter I am attaching a copy of the NIM article.)  We would only need to round up about 330 (of 768 total) E864 modules at BNL to cut them down and cover a pseudorapidity from 1.4-4 in the forward direction; we would still need mechanicals and electronics (copy of EMCal?).

This would give us an EMCal with sub-par EM resolution, BUT with sufficient granularity at ~4m to separate pizeroes from prompt photons. Sasha Basilevsky had a look using a fast MC and it looks like this idea is worth further study; it seems feasible for the lower rapidities, it gets dicey at the higher rapidities and needs simulation.  The physics justification would of course be nPDF's and CNM, but this would also enable a study of longitudinal dynamics in HI's (needs simulation).  While this would not be the full hadron arm we have all envisioned, it would get our foot in the door with something concrete.

So here's what we are thinking of doing over the next six months:

1. JL is planning to get this new version of the forward EMCal into G4 simulations this week.  This will enable the detailed performance studies that are the next step beyond Sasha's fast study.

2.  Sasha and I are in pursuit of an E864 module we can cut down, instrument and take to the FNAL test beam this spring. This should be doable, although we might have to raise some $ for light guides we can borrow EMCal electronics. This would establish the performance of the device in the real world.

3. We should push a little more on the EPPS16 pseudodata analysis. We have discussed publishing the results of the exercise and we should do that.  I think a publication like this would help underpin the CNM physics case nicely; it would be nice if this was on the arXiv this spring.

4. Enlist our HI colleagues to look as HI simulations and see if there are some key simulation performance plots that can be made. The experience in this is mostly in STAR and LHC folks, so we should look there and try to enlist some aid.

5.  If 1-4 come together nicely, perhaps a  presentation to the PAC in June would be in order? We could discuss this with the spokespersons.

Thoughts and discussion (and volunteers!) are welcome.

Regards,
John

John Lajoie

Professor of Physics

Iowa State University

 

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lajoie AT iastate.edu

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