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- From: Craig Woody <woody AT bnl.gov>
- To: Alexander Bazilevsky <shura AT bnl.gov>
- Cc: sphenix-emcal-l AT lists.bnl.gov
- Subject: Re: [Sphenix-emcal-l] EMCAL UPPs
- Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 08:03:03 -0400
Hi Sasha,
Thanks very much for your comments. Yes, you are right, there is a price to be paid for tilting the towers both in eta and phi, and we have discussed this at great length within the EMCAL group. As Jin showed in his simulations, having perfect projectivity produces the narrowest shower size, which is good for not only measuring electrons and photons, but also for our e/h rejection. However, because of the vertex distribution, the pointing will never be perfect, and the effect of the non-uniformities in the blocks is quite large. As we've seen from the test beam data, the tilting does improve the uniformity considerably, and while it is indeed a tradeoff, the benefit of tilting is very substantial. It may degrade the position resolution slightly, but our position resolution for photons will already be degraded significantly by the underlying event in central collisions. Also, the tilt angles we are talking about are actually quite small. In the current sPHENIX configuration, the eta tilt is only about 8 degrees for the projective part of the calorimeter, and the phi tilt decreases with eta from less than 5 degrees at central rapidity to less than 3 degrees at large eta (see the attached plot that Jin generated showing this). We believe that we need a tilt greater than about 4 degrees to really see an improvement in the uniformity, which is why we've just tested the V2.1 prototype at larger phi tilt angle at Fermilab this week. We haven't seen the results of that test yet, but hopefully we'll see some improvement. Cheers, Craig On 5/3/2018 4:13 PM, Alexander Bazilevsky wrote: Dear Craig and All, I have one major concern on your slides. Probably it is not an
issue at all, but just the way you present it. On slide 4 you justify the necessary of (increasing of) the
tilt angle by the uniformity of the EMCal response. I'm afraid
this logic is not completely right. Obviously, the larger the
tilt angle (or the larger shower size on the projection on EMCal
plane) the better uniformity. If you checked 20 or even 30
degrees tilt in test beam (or even in simulation), you would get
even better uniformity. What matters here is EMCal efficiency
(1 minus fraction of photons/electron tunneled without inducing
a shower) and resolutions. Introducing the (large) tilt angle
you deteriorate other things, e.g. position resolution, the
ability of shower profile for photon/electron ID etc. So, those
should also be judged when moving to larger angle. ... Probably
10 degrees is still ok: e.g. it will add (only?) ~1.2mm to
position resolution. Position dependence of the measured energy would not be a
problem at all if it is correctable. And I believe it is (as
shown by Joe). My personal feeling is that what important here
is not the (average) response non-uniformity but a fraction of
tunneled photons/electrons (or the size of the tail to very low
energy in EMCal response to a fixed energy photon/electron), and
the average EMCal response vs position doesn't directly reflect
it. ... my 2 cents. Sasha. On 5/3/18 12:32 PM, Craig Woody
wrote:
Sorry, but in my haste to get this out, I forgot one important item on the last slide. Please have a look at these slides instead of the first ones I sent out. -- Alexander Bazilevsky Brookhaven National Laboratory, Bldg. 510D, 2-232 Upton, NY 11973 Tel: 631-344-3712 Email: shura AT bnl.gov ------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ sPHENIX-EMCal-l mailing list sPHENIX-EMCal-l AT lists.bnl.gov https://lists.bnl.gov/mailman/listinfo/sphenix-emcal-l |
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[Sphenix-emcal-l] EMCAL UPPs,
Craig Woody, 05/03/2018
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Re: [Sphenix-emcal-l] EMCAL UPPs,
Craig Woody, 05/03/2018
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Re: [Sphenix-emcal-l] EMCAL UPPs,
Alexander Bazilevsky, 05/03/2018
- Re: [Sphenix-emcal-l] EMCAL UPPs, Edward Kistenev, 05/03/2018
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Re: [Sphenix-emcal-l] EMCAL UPPs,
Craig Woody, 05/04/2018
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Re: [Sphenix-emcal-l] EMCAL UPPs,
Alexander Bazilevsky, 05/04/2018
- Re: [Sphenix-emcal-l] EMCAL UPPs, Craig Woody, 05/04/2018
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Re: [Sphenix-emcal-l] EMCAL UPPs,
Huang, Jin, 05/04/2018
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Re: [Sphenix-emcal-l] EMCAL UPPs,
Edward Kistenev, 05/04/2018
- Re: [Sphenix-emcal-l] EMCAL UPPs, Edward Kistenev, 05/04/2018
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Re: [Sphenix-emcal-l] EMCAL UPPs,
Edward Kistenev, 05/04/2018
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Re: [Sphenix-emcal-l] EMCAL UPPs,
Alexander Bazilevsky, 05/04/2018
- Re: [Sphenix-emcal-l] EMCAL UPPs, woody, 05/04/2018
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Re: [Sphenix-emcal-l] EMCAL UPPs,
Alexander Bazilevsky, 05/04/2018
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Re: [Sphenix-emcal-l] EMCAL UPPs,
Alexander Bazilevsky, 05/03/2018
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Re: [Sphenix-emcal-l] EMCAL UPPs,
Craig Woody, 05/03/2018
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