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Re: [Sphenix-hcal-l] Stainless steel for prototype?
- From: John Lajoie <lajoie AT iastate.edu>
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- Subject: Re: [Sphenix-hcal-l] Stainless steel for prototype?
- Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 07:09:29 -0500
Hi Ed, John: It will probably be sufficient to just have a look at the properties of the material mixtures in GEANT, including the proper mixture of 310 stainless, but given what John has found I would bet they are almost identical. Regards, John On 6/19/2015 6:21 PM, EdwardOBrien
wrote:
John, Your analysis seems quite reasonable. Then you're proposing that we use standard steel for the performance prototypes for both the Inner and Outer. The mechanical or engineering prototypes are to be made of the actual material we intend to use. Do you think that it is worthwhile adding a GEANT4 performance study of a 310 stainless vs standard steel calorimeter to our list of detector simulations. I am sure that a committee will ask. Ed On 6/19/2015 11:41 AM, John Haggerty wrote:The question of whether we need to make the IHCAL performance prototype out of stainless steel came up at yesterday's meeting again. It's harder to work with mechanically, and more expensive, and I don't think there will be any discernible difference, and here's my analysis of that question. Of course, I could be wrong, so more eyes on the question would be good. The non-magnetic stainless steel we used in the PHENIX absorber on the central magnet came with an assay that had these components:Z A rho X % C 6 12.011 2.266 42.698 0.050 Mn 25 54.938 7.473 14.640 0.960 P 15 30.974 1.820 21.205 0.025 S 16 32.060 2.086 19.493 0.000 Si 14 28.086 2.329 21.823 0.560 Ni 28 58.700 8.907 12.679 19.380 Cr 24 51.996 7.194 14.944 24.450 Mo 42 95.940 10.222 9.801 0.250 Co 27 58.993 8.800 13.631 0.150 Cu 29 63.546 8.933 12.862 0.280 N 7 14.007 0.001 37.989 0.055 Fe 26 55.847 7.873 13.839 53.840 7.874 13.873and if you cruise the web, you'll see that's typical for "310 stainless steel." (The above table was from when we got it and I calculated the radiation length of the mixture for fun; if I did the weighting right, the radiation length of the SS310, the 13.873 g/cm^2, is pretty close to elemental Fe, which is >99.5% of a carbon steel like 1006 which we'll use in the flux return; the density is pretty much the same, too.) It's not mysterious, the other big components, Ni and Cr, surround Fe on the periodic table, and have quite similar properties. I thought I better check a little further, so I used my super-idealized model of the IHCAL based on a GEANT example to look at the difference; I made a nominal 1 interaction length calorimeter out of 4 Fe plates (that's the "4 crossing") 42 mm thick (the interaction length of Fe is 167.7 mm), and shot some 10GeV pi+'s at it and used matScan to measure the interaction length.The calorimeter is 4 layers of: [ 42mm of G4_Fe + 7mm of G4_POLYSTYRENE ] mean Energy in Absorber : 1.74625 GeV +- 1.86963 GeV mean Energy in Gap : 56.5529 MeV +- 61.824 MeV mean trackLength in Absorber : 1.1057 m +- 1.19615 m mean trackLength in Gap : 19.1849 cm +- 19.3933 cm and the matScan agrees with my arithmetic: /control/matScan/singleMeasure 0 0 Theta(deg) Phi(deg) Length(mm) x0 lambda0 0 0 1017.6 9.62684 1.03024The material G4_STAINLESS-STEEL packaged with GEANT isn't 310, it's about 74% Fe, so we should cook up the material correctly, but just to get a quick idea, here are the statistics from running 10 GeV pions through that, and the matScan:The calorimeter is 4 layers of: [ 42mm of G4_STAINLESS-STEEL + 7mm of G4_POLYSTYRENE ] mean Energy in Absorber : 1.7336 GeV +- 1.76738 GeV mean Energy in Gap : 59.5918 MeV +- 65.2185 MeV mean trackLength in Absorber : 1.03557 m +- 1.08142 m mean trackLength in Gap : 18.3985 cm +- 18.4141 cm Theta(deg) Phi(deg) Length(mm) x0 lambda0 0 0 1017.6 9.73369 1.04876So I think it's ok to make the prototype out of pretty much any steel as far as its properties as an absorber, as far as I can see. Probably not so true for the mechanical prototype, where we may have to learn to deal with a material that is rather difficult to work with. _______________________________________________ Sphenix-hcal-l mailing list Sphenix-hcal-l AT lists.bnl.gov https://lists.bnl.gov/mailman/listinfo/sphenix-hcal-l_______________________________________________ Sphenix-hcal-l mailing list Sphenix-hcal-l AT lists.bnl.gov https://lists.bnl.gov/mailman/listinfo/sphenix-hcal-l John Lajoie PHENIX Deputy Spokesperson Professor of Physics Iowa State University
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[Sphenix-hcal-l] Stainless steel for prototype?,
John Haggerty, 06/19/2015
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Re: [Sphenix-hcal-l] Stainless steel for prototype?,
EdwardOBrien, 06/19/2015
- Re: [Sphenix-hcal-l] Stainless steel for prototype?, John Lajoie, 06/22/2015
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Re: [Sphenix-hcal-l] Stainless steel for prototype?,
EdwardOBrien, 06/19/2015
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