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- From: John Haggerty <haggerty AT bnl.gov>
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- Subject: [Sphenix-hcal-l] Inner calorimeter
- Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 00:10:18 -0400
Hello,
This is not for Friday's descoping document, but I think that given some of the ideas going around now, we might have to go back to ideas that were dismissed many workfests ago, since they might not be as bad as some of the descoping options we're now talking about.
The one in particular that's been bothering me the last few days is going to a single calorimeter inside the solenoid with lead absorber. If we multiplex the EMCAL to 2x2, one could ask why you need expensive tungsten to make a short radiation length. Maybe lead would be good enough. (I should note that Edward often asks this question, but when we had 1 Moliere radius towers, it was easy to say that only tungsten could achieve the short radiation length without going to hugely expensive crystals, and only tungsten would allow us to cram ~1.5 interaction lengths inside the solenoid.)
Once you think lead, you may as well think the PHENIX EMCAL, it's as good as any lead-scintillator calorimeter. It's about 17.5 radiation lengths, about 0.85 interaction lengths in depth, which is about 375 mm, so it would fill up about the same volume as the EMCAL and Inner HCAL (1000 to 1400 mm in radius), and one could read it out at the inner radius with SiPM's.
My facts com from Edward's web page
http://www.phenix.bnl.gov/phenix/WWW/emcal/computing/online/EmcDoc112602/Introduction.htmland the NIM paper, by the way.
A tower is 55.35 mm square, I think, so there are something like 100 towers in phi and 60 in eta and natural numerology would make it 0.058 (phi) x 0.037 (eta). I think the Moliere radius of the EMCAL is about 55 mm, so it is matched, as is common, to the segmentation, and the 108*60=6480 towers takes 3 PHENIX sectors.
The natural segmentation leaving the (12x12) supermodules alone would lead to a nine-sided calorimeter (9*12=108), odd, but not impossible. (If one can take apart the supermodules, one could contemplate a seven sided structure with 16x16 supermodules, I don't know if that's feasible or not).
There are many bad features of this idea, which is why we dismissed it in the first place. It's not naturally projective; there are likely to be sizable gaps for support; you can afford less photodetector coverage than you could with PMT's; the segmentation is just barely adequate. Some of these problems could conceivably be overcome with ingenuity and labor, but the segmentation and the radiation length are what they are.
You can say the rework still costs a lot, but the difference in cost is more in design, mechanics, and modifying the existing modules, and some of that is common, and much of it is labor, which is not the immediate problem. You lose the Inner HCAL, but the total interaction lengths is less than one less, from nearly 6 at zero rapidity to 5. Part of this package would be to leave the Outer HCAL alone, or perhaps even augment it by splitting the tiles in half and reading both inner and outer radius. We may lose in e-pi, but if the calorimeter's resolution survives intact (to be show with reduced photodetector coverage), maybe E/p is enough better to make up for that loss.
Bad idea? Many of us thought so, but depending on the results of the budget exercise, it may be worth kicking around again.
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John Haggerty
email: haggerty AT bnl.gov
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