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Re: [Sphenix-hcal-l] Question on 95% hadronic shower containment in HCal
- From: Edouard Kistenev <kistenev AT bnl.gov>
- To: Stefan Bathe <bathe AT bnl.gov>
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- Subject: Re: [Sphenix-hcal-l] Question on 95% hadronic shower containment in HCal
- Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 18:29:32 -0500
10% approximation always looked fine to me
On Feb 5, 2018, at 3:23 PM, Stefan Bathe <bathe AT bnl.gov> wrote:_______________________________________________Dear All,I find some inconsistencies with how many nuclear interaction lengths (lambda) are required to contain 95 % of the energy of a hadronic shower (L(95%)):1) The CDR saysL(95%) > 5.5 lambdain the introductory section of the HCal. No energy is quoted. So let’s assume 100 GeV pions as proxies for jets at kinematic limit for RHIC HI.2) [WI00] (Fig 2.37, attached) givesL(95%) @ 100 GeV = 6.0 lambdaN.B.: the reference is [AB81]!3) [AB81] givesL(95%) @ 100 GeV: 87.5 cm Fe = 5.15 lambda (table 4)contradicting Wigmans!4) [HO78b] givesL(95%) @ 100 GeV: 82 cm Fe = 4.8 lambda (Fig. 10)5) [KL91] givesL(95%) @ 100 GeV: 82 cm Fe = 4.8 lambda (parameterization)I’m inclined to dismiss Wigmans since the plot misrepresents the quoted reference. Does anybody have better information? Or maybe I’m misunderstanding something?Regards,Stefanreferences:—[WI00] Wigmans, Calorimetry, Oxford, 2000” (p. 87, Fig. 2.37)(see attachment)--[HO78b] M.Holder et al., Nucl.Instr.Meth.,151,69 (1978),
Performance of a Magnetized Total Absorption Calorimeter Between 15-GeV and 140-GeV
5 cm Fe sampling
L(95%) @ 100 GeV: 82 cm Fe = 4.8 lambda (from plot with data points and fit in paper; or parameterization in Kleinknecht textbook)https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwju8M2mxY_ZAhWHyoMKHTAyAgQQFgg_MAQ&url="http%3A%2F%2Fcds.cern.ch%2Frecord%2F879171%2Ffiles%2Fep113_001.pdf&usg=AOvVaw18tk97fLX9RJZVIoNU1SVM---[AB81] Nucl.Instr.Meth.,180,429 (1981)
The response and resolution of an iron-scintillator calorimeter for hadronic and electromagnetic showers between 10 GeV and 140 GeV
2 cm Fe sampling
L(95%) @ 100 GeV: 87.5 cm Fe = 5.15 lambda (table)
comments:
- interaction required in first 37.5 cm of iron; possible bias
- referenced in Wigmans, but I cannot reproduce Wigmans plot from data in paper
—[KL92] "Kleinknecht, Detektoren fuer Teilchenstrahlung, Teubner, 1992”, I find the following parameterization:
L(95%) = [9.4 ln E(GeV) + 39] cm Fe. With lambda = 17.1 cm (Fe)also references [BL82] H. Bluemer, Diplomarbeit Dortmund, 1982<Wigmans2.37.JPG>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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[Sphenix-hcal-l] Question on 95% hadronic shower containment in HCal,
Stefan Bathe, 02/05/2018
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Re: [Sphenix-hcal-l] Question on 95% hadronic shower containment in HCal,
Edouard Kistenev, 02/05/2018
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Re: [Sphenix-hcal-l] Question on 95% hadronic shower containment in HCal,
Stefan Bathe, 02/05/2018
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Re: [Sphenix-hcal-l] Question on 95% hadronic shower containment in HCal,
Edward Kistenev, 02/05/2018
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Re: [Sphenix-hcal-l] Question on 95% hadronic shower containment in HCal,
Edward Kistenev, 02/05/2018
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Re: [Sphenix-hcal-l] Question on 95% hadronic shower containment in HCal,
Edward Kistenev, 02/05/2018
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Re: [Sphenix-hcal-l] Question on 95% hadronic shower containment in HCal,
John Lajoie, 02/06/2018
- Re: [Sphenix-hcal-l] Question on 95% hadronic shower containment in HCal, Edward Kistenev, 02/06/2018
- Re: [Sphenix-hcal-l] Question on 95% hadronic shower containment in HCal, John Lajoie, 02/06/2018
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Re: [Sphenix-hcal-l] Question on 95% hadronic shower containment in HCal,
John Lajoie, 02/06/2018
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Re: [Sphenix-hcal-l] Question on 95% hadronic shower containment in HCal,
Edward Kistenev, 02/05/2018
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Re: [Sphenix-hcal-l] [inconsistency solved] Question on 95% hadronic shower containment in HCal,
Stefan Bathe, 02/06/2018
- Re: [Sphenix-hcal-l] [inconsistency solved] Question on 95% hadronic shower containment in HCal, John Lajoie, 02/06/2018
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Re: [Sphenix-hcal-l] Question on 95% hadronic shower containment in HCal,
Edward Kistenev, 02/05/2018
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Re: [Sphenix-hcal-l] Question on 95% hadronic shower containment in HCal,
Edward Kistenev, 02/05/2018
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Re: [Sphenix-hcal-l] Question on 95% hadronic shower containment in HCal,
Stefan Bathe, 02/05/2018
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Re: [Sphenix-hcal-l] Question on 95% hadronic shower containment in HCal,
Edouard Kistenev, 02/05/2018
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- Re: [Sphenix-hcal-l] Question on 95% hadronic shower containment in HCal, Lajoie, John G [PHYSA], 02/05/2018
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