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  • From: Sean Stoll <stoll AT bnl.gov>
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  • Subject: [Sphenix-hcal-l] Reply from Kuraray re question about Y-11 fiber emission
  • Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 10:48:05 -0400



 

From: Shinji, Osamu_新治修
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 12:10 PM
To: 'Sean Stoll '
Cc: Cuevas, Sean; Fujita, Katsuhiro_藤田勝洋 (Katsuhiro.Fujita AT kuraray.com); Akari, Masashi_明里 将志 (Masashi.Akari AT kuraray.com)
Subject: FW: question about Y-11 fiber emission

 

Dear Sean Stoll - san,

 

I am one of technical of KURARAY scintillating fiber.

I am trying to answer to your question.....

Y-11(200) 1mm fiber is doped with a high concentration of so called K-27 fluorescent dye, 200ppm.

Because the 1mm fiber can absorb a blue light efficiently more than 90%, when emitted blue lights from a scintillator go across the WLS fiber of 1mm diameter (refer to the attached file).

On the other hand,  “Absorption and Emission Spectra on our web site was measured with a very diluted solution, eg. a few 10s ppm, using 10mm * 10mm quarts cell described in the attached file.

The reason why we used a very diluted solution is to measure the intrinsic and real emission spectrum without no self - absorption.

You can see the Absorption and Emission Spectrum of Y-11 has an absorption emission overlap between around 450-480nm wavelength.

These wavelengths are, as we call, the range of self absorption.

If we used a solution of higher concentration, eg. 200ppm using the using 10mm * 10mm cell, we would get a very different emission spectrum  from the intrinsic and real, which spectrum would be lost with the peak emission at 476nm because of the self - absorption.

 

About Y-11(200) fiber doped with 200ppm, that is the reason why the peak emission at 476 disappeared at the 1m end of fiber, as you observed.

Using this fiber, this 476nm peak will disappear at only 1-10cm from the point of illuminated with a blue light.

You can see that this peak already disappears at 10cm Emission Spectra on our web site.

 

The second reason why the emission spectrum changes at different length, like Emission Spectra on the Y-11(200) fiber, is due to transmission loss of polystyrene fiber.

The figure of Transmission Loss of Y-11(200) fiber on the same page shows that the loss is higher at a shorter wavelength with a steeply dipping curve between 500nm and 600nm.

The trans mission loss L(dB/Km) can be calculated to transparency T(%) at X(m) by the equation T= 10^(-LX/10000)*100.

So shorter components of the intrinsic spectrum are lost more rapidly, surviving those of longer wavelengths.

Because the emission spectrum at the fiber end is a survived’ spectrum from the intrinsic emission passing through a long fiber with different transparency every wavelength, the apparent peak wavelength’ observed from the end of a longer fiber will goes longer.

 

Can I answer to your question well?

If any more or other technical questions or requests, please let us know directly.  

The last two CC addresses of this e-mail are of the other technical persons of KURARAY scintillation fiber.

 

Thank you very much,

 

Osamu Shinji

KURARAY

差出人: "Cuevas, Sean" <Sean.Cuevas AT kuraray.com>
日付: 2018821日 火曜日 6:12:50
宛先:"Imamiya, Yuuki_今宮 有輝" <Yuuki.Imamiya AT kuraray.com>, "Sato, Naoya_佐藤 直哉" <Naoya.Sato AT kuraray.com>, "Moriyama, Shota_森山 翔太" <Shota.Moriyama AT kuraray.com>
件名: FW: question about Y-11 fiber emission



-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Stoll [mailto:stoll AT bnl.gov]
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 3:57 PM
To: Cuevas, Sean <Sean.Cuevas AT kuraray.com>
Subject: question about Y-11 fiber emission

Hi Sean,

  We received the shipment of Y-11 fiber and are running some QA tests on it. A technical question about Kuraray Y11 fiber. In the Kuraray product brochure, the emission wavelength of Y-11 is given as 476nm.
This is consistent with the "Absorbtion and Emission Spectra"  graph (copied on attached slide). There is a second plot that shows the spectra for Y11 fiber measured for 4 different lengths of fiber. These all peak at or above 500nm. The second graph is consistent with what I see when I make the measurement as illustrated.

Can you explain why these spectra have slightly different peaks (476nm vs 500nm)?

thanks,

Sean Stoll

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Sean Stoll
Physics Associate
Brookhaven Nat. Lab
Upton, NY 11973
631.344.5331

Attachment: Absorption&Emission of Y7811.pdf
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