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Re: [Sphenix-l] Fwd: Notes from the 35th sPHENIX General meeting: October 06, 2017
- From: David Morrison <morrison AT bnl.gov>
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- Subject: Re: [Sphenix-l] Fwd: Notes from the 35th sPHENIX General meeting: October 06, 2017
- Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 12:03:27 -0400
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Dave
On 10/20/17 11:46 AM, David Morrison wrote:
> Dear collaborators,
>
> Notes from the last general meeting. Thanks Rachid! Today's meeting
> starts in a few minutes.
>
> Dave
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Notes from the 35th sPHENIX General meeting: October 06, 2017
> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2017 21:39:47 -0400
> From: nouicer <rachid.nouicer AT bnl.gov>
> To: David Morrison <dave AT bnl.gov>, Gunther Roland <rolandg AT mit.edu>
>
> Dear Dave and Gunther,
>
> My notes that I took during the meeting are below.
>
> Sincerely,
> Rachid
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Notes from the 35th sPHENIX General meeting: October 06, 2017
>
> https://indico.bnl.gov/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=3701
>
>
> ------------
> 1) sPHENIX collaboration news:
> Speakers: Dr. David Morrison (BNL), Prof. Gunther Roland (MIT)
>
> - Medium energy physics:
>
> . Document of medium energy was sent to ALD Berndt.
> . Berndt sent us back his comments and suggestions, but some of
> them were vague.
> . Berndt's comments/suggestions were sent to the authors of the
> document.
> . Berndt's suggested to add an executive summary to the medium
> energy document
> and this will help DOE to carry the message better.
>
> Q: Could you send Berndt's comments to sPHENIX?
> A (Dave): yes, I will do it after the meeting.
>
> Q: When Berndt will have meeting with DOE about sPHENIX and Medium
> energy documents?
> A (Dave): Berndt says:
>
> - he plans to meet with DOE on the issue of medium energy
> funding next week
> - sPHENIX: early November
>
> - Magnet status:
>
> . there is a lot of progress, but PHENIX is straggling to get
> resources to achieve magnet test.
> . Berndt asked sPHENIX to express these concerns of magnet
> tests in a written document.
> . spHENIX will make written document about magnet test challenges.
>
>
> * During DOE visit this week, the ALD Berndt confirmed to DOE the
> high priority of the sPHENIX for BNL lab.
>
> - EIC related news
>
> . Abhay Deshpande is the Director of Science for the Electron
> Ion Collider (EIC), at BNL.
> . Temple meeting November 30-December 1, 2017.
> . We will have an ePHENIX talk at the Temple meeting.
> . It is important to show to the world that sPHENIX is the
> base for a detector at EIC.
>
> * We have a good representation of sPHENIX members in the Bi-weekly
> eRHIC coffee klatsch at BNL.
> However, if sPHENIX people are at BNL, that will be great if they
> come to the eRHIC coffee klatsch,
> more people from our collaboration at that event it is always
> better for us/spHENIX.
>
>
> - Collaboration meeting
>
> . December 8-10 in Santa Fe, to be preceded by MVTX workfest.
> . Nominal registration fee for the meeting ~$100
>
> - Applying to be CERN recognized experiment
>
> . This document will make sPHENIX in an official position as
> an experiment from point of view of CERN.
> . Several advantages if this is successful. Able to talk with
> CERN about sPHENIX on an official basis
> such as about assembling/specific expectations regarding
> CERN : GEM, MAPS facilities
>
> - Descoping strategy:
>
> . Berndt will meet with DOE to discuss Calorimeter/PHENIX
> descoping in early of November.
> . Co-spokespersons would coordinate drafting of document for
> Berndt ALD.
>
>
> ------------
> 2) sPHENIX Project Update 20'
> Speaker: Edward O'Brien (BNL)
>
>
> - sPHENIX Project Update:
>
> . Beam test preparations are making good progress.
> . We are made a lot of progress in closing the 33 action
> items from the Director’s review.
> . We are identifying additional personnel for the project team.
> . INTT will part of the beam test.
> . BNL/RBRC hired a new engineer, Dan CACACE, which will be
> working on INTT and Calorimeter.
>
> - sPHENIX Management Issues II:
>
> . The scrubbing exercise identified ~$100k in savings from
> re-examining the sPHENIX cost estimate.
> . Other $700k engineering materials saving from other
> sub-detectors.
>
> - Proposed review dates for Conceptual Design Reviews
>
> . Nov 1 HCAL
> . Nov 8 EMCAL
> . Nov 15 Cal Electronics
> . Nov 29 TPC+TPC electronics
> . Dec 13 DAQ/Trigger+MBD
> . January 5, 2018 is target date for completion of CDR
>
> - sPHENIX Management Issues II:
>
> . We need Project Manager: Designate a person in charge of
> all Budget and Schedule
> aspects of the MIE + Infrastructure and Facility Upgrade
>
> Q (Dave): Many tasks but the overall status?
>
> A (Ed): yes many tasks but most important are on the slide #3. Berndt
> and us are working hard on these tasks.
>
> Dave/Ed: DOE seems working with sPHENIX and helping some funding available.
>
> ------------
> 3) T-1044 2017 EMCal Note
> Joe Osborn for the EMCal group
>
>
> . Analysis of 2017 EMCal test beam data has been posted
> . First 2D projective SPACAL EMCal
> . plan for beam energy scan: Two data sets and Two energy
> recalibration methods
> . Hodoscope correction was used and published in 2016 test
> beam paper
>
> - New Method: Position Recalibration
>
> . 2017 test beam introduces new cluster position dependent
> correction
>
> - Energy Recalibration
>
> . Hodoscope and position dependent recalibrations yield
> similar improvements to resolution
>
> Final Resolution
>
> . Simulation matches data
>
> -What Have We Learned?
>
> . Intrinsic resolution of the 2D projective SPACAL tower.
> . Cluster position energy correction works as well as
> hodoscope position energy correction.
> . Towers are accurately described in simulation.
>
> Conclusions:
>
> . First public showing of 2017 test beam results to be shown
> at IEEE talk on October 26th
>
>
> Q (Dave): quite good progress. Do you expect that energy cluster
> position will work for AuAu?
> A (Joe): we don't know. It is on our to-do list.
>
> Q (Dave): the 2D projective: does help to fix the cracks in the acceptance?
> A (Woody): the modules' reposition to 150 mrad in phi and in eta 15 cm
> make the geometry complicated but better coverage.
>
>
> ------------
> T-1044 2017 HCal note
> Ron Belmont for the HCal Group
>
> . Data: energy resolution is better than sPHENIX
> specifications.
> . Energy linearity is excellent.
> . Simulation and data have a good agreement.
> . Distributions of pions: data and simulation have a good
> agreement.
> . HCal + EMCAL: you get the best energy resolution.
> . HCal works, with excellent linearity and better than spec
> resolution.
>
> - conclusion:
>
> . 2017 beam test HCal note ready to circulate.
> . 2018 beam test data will yield critical insights about
> inner HCal de-scoping.
> . Megan will show all the 2017 beam test results at the IEEE
> meeting.
>
>
> Comment (Ed): I don't expect that forward Cal. and middle Cal behave
> exactly the same.
>
> Q (Peter) on slide #5: Small peak at low energy ?
> What is this?
>
> A (Ron): it is due to muons punch through (muons from contamination)
>
> Q (Peter): could you remove it by just using a cut?
> A (John Lajoie): it should not affect the variant of the full peak.
>
> Ron: HCal note will be circulated in a coming week.
>
> ------------
> Further Jets Studies for the IHCAL
> Rosi Reed for the iHCal Group
>
> . simulation has been updated with the de-scoping and we are
> looking to the results.
> . Do the configurations (de-scoping options) increase the
> bias with respect to fragmentation?
> such as in 1) Quark vs Gluon jets, 2) High z jets
> . Conditons:
> - SS310, SS310 w/o readout, Al, and Al w/o readout, and
> SS310 frame (steel cylinder)
> - “Matched” jets require track and tower jets match the
> primary jet within ΔR<0.4
>
> . HCAL correction:
> - Consistent with test beam results
> - Constant as a function of energy
>
> Q (Jamie) comments: scale factors change a lot because of material
> changes (Stainless steel)
> A (Rosi): there is a lot work need to be done and steel is extrem choice
>
> - After Tower Corrections, I and II
>
> Q (Jamie): you said performances are the same?
> A (Rosi): these corrections do not affect the decision that we are making
>
>
> - Jets energy scale and Jet energy resolution
>
> . Jet energy resolution is getting worse with Stainless
> steel choice.
>
> Question with echo: changing geomtery is affecting energy resolution and
> this is very bad?
>
> A (Rosi): yes the energy resolution is getting bad but we need more
> information on how to do configuration
>
>
> - Combined Jets JES and JER:
>
> . Energy resolution is not so bad if we use propre algorithm
>
> Q: these numbers on the table are idealised?
>
> A (Rosi): we are trying to span several different scenario as function
> of time and resources. We are making sure that decision are not made
> on worse or best case. We will continue working on this in the next
> two weeks.
>
> Lajoie: it is clear that people are wory of making decision based on
> these simulations. We need to use particle flow algorithm and
> maybe we need to use tracker.
>
> Jamie: it is important to have a unique match between the tracking and
> Calorimter energy.
>
> Gunther: particle flow algorithm works very nicely in CMS.
>
> Rose: we need to give feedback to Berndt in a couple of week.
>
>
> - Flavor Jet Studies:
>
> . more study will be done later but this is the first look
> about quarks versus gluons
>
> Q (Aroan, from Nevis): I don't understand why we are doing this ?
> Are we going to do separation
> between quarks and gluons?
>
> A (Rosi): we are doing this study to make sure that our configuration
> doesn't make this study harder in the future.
>
> John Lajoie: I would lkie to point out that monte carlo has been changed
> since our last meeting.
>
>
> ------------
> Inner HCAL Design and Descoping Options
> J. Lajoie
>
> . To make inner HCAL cheaper with new configuration, we save
> $420k.
> . Aluminum is more suitable, and this is good for our budget.
> . Many venders are walling to do the work for us because of
> using aluminum.
> . Materials' costs for an Al IHCAL could be reduced by as
> much as 80%
>
> Q (Dave): you mentioned that the structure holding the inner HCAL made
> from stainless steel may be other material is better?
>
> A (John L.): engineers are suggesting alumiunm but maybe other material,
> but the choice is dedicated by the design.
>
> . Engineers resources are tight, and we have to make best
> choices.
>
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>
>
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