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- From: John Haggerty <haggerty AT bnl.gov>
- To: Edward O'Brien <eobrien AT bnl.gov>, Anthony Frawley <afrawley AT fsu.edu>, Gunther M Roland <rolandg AT mit.edu>, "jhuang AT bnl.gov" <jhuang AT bnl.gov>, "Perepelitsa, Dennis" <dvp AT bnl.gov>, Rosi Reed <rosijreed AT lehigh.edu>, "lajoie AT iastate.edu" <lajoie AT iastate.edu>, Glenn Young <glennyoung82251 AT gmail.com>, "Morrison, David" <morrison AT bnl.gov>
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- Subject: Re: [Sphenix-l] UPP questions
- Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 06:54:45 -0400
Tony and all,
I would add to Ed's remark that I think a narrative where we explain that we have a v1 design of a tracking system already, and it gives us 90 MeV mass resolution in p+p, and degrades as we go to the most central Au+Au because we are learning how to better simulate and test our actual detector configuration but we're studying how to improve it as we evolve from CD-1 to CD-2 sounds pretty reasonable to me.
On 5/7/18 12:10 AM, Edward O'Brien wrote:
Hi Tony,
I believe I answered your question during the General Meeting, but
let me put it into an e-mail so that we have a record. We will
include a table of UPP's in the Preliminary Project Execution Plan. DOE and
BNL Management will sign this document, but it is considered a preliminary
document. The PEP that we will write 1 year from now for the CD-2 review
will be binding, but not the preliminary PEP. So we have some wiggle room today.
What would be bad, and what happened at the Director's review, would be if we
were to include numbers into the UPP table that appears in the PPEP, and
then have presentations at the OPA review that contradict these numbers. We should
settle this week on the Upsilon (1S) mass resolution value that will be presented at the
upcoming review, and make sure that the same number is used in all documents.
I expect that the number will only appear in the PPEP, and the presentations by you
and Gunther.
Ed
On 5/1/18 8:34 PM, Anthony Frawley wrote:
Hello Gunther,
I attach some plots for the Y(1S) mass resolution. All are without the MVTX, and with 50 ns SAMPA chip peaking time.
The first is for low occupancy events (mass resolution 86 MeV). This is the ultimate resolution limit
The second is for the Y(1S) embedded in central Hijing (0-4 fm). This shows what we expect at present for the mass resolution for central events integrated over a store.
The mass resolution for single central Hijing with no pileup is 106 MeV. That is not a realistic scenario.
Question for Ed: If we cannot meet the 100 MeV UPP with the existing clustering, is that a problem for this review?
Thanks
Tony
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*From:* Gunther M Roland <rolandg AT mit.edu>
*Sent:* Friday, April 27, 2018 9:39 AM
*To:* jhuang AT bnl.gov; Perepelitsa, Dennis; Rosi Reed; lajoie AT iastate.edu; O'Brien, Edward; Haggerty, John; Glenn Young; Anthony Frawley; Morrison, David
*Cc:* sphenix-l AT lists.bnl.gov
*Subject:* UPP questions
Friends,,
Maria just reminded us that we will have a dry-run of the CD-1 review plenary talks next Wednesday. I am not sure we will quite have the final plots at that time, but we need to figure out what the line of argument is going to be.
We have a nice set of new simulations for the MIE configuration for e.g. jet energy resolution and various physics plots. I'm now thinking of how to make the connection to the UPPs for the OPA talk, and I'm finding that not so easy.
As an example, the Jet resolution UPP in my notes is "Jet resolution of < 150%/sqrt(E)" (did we specify at which E, as the resolution does not go as sqrt(E), but has a constant term from the AuAu underlying event?). Our simulations however show a resolution that is much better than that. E.g. 15% at 50GeV from simulations vs 150%/sqrt(50) = 21% from the UPP.
So, my questions/suggestions:
- I assume it is ok if the UPP is somewhat relaxed compared to the performance in simulations?
- We probably should add a line on the performance plots reflecting the UPP performance
- We should add a set of points corresponding to the UPP performance to the physics plots
- for the physics plots, one needs some to provide some scale of why we want to reach a certain performance. I'm planning to argue that we want comparable performance to that at LHC (e.g. gamma-jet balance uncertainties, Upsilon resolution). Any better ideas?
- for the t-shirt plot, it would be nice to have for comparison also the current RHIC status (applies only to jets/hadron RAA) and a backup plot of how much the MIE vs reference acceptance costs us
Question to Dennis/Rosi: Any chance of getting a photon resolution plot from simulation to compare to the photon UPP of <15%/sqrt(E) photon resolution? I think it would be good to fold this into the physics plot.
Question to Tony: Where can I find the latest Upsilon mass plot for pp? The UPP (Y(1s) mass resolution < 100MeV) probably needs to refer not just to the system, but also specific running conditions: single central Au+Auevent, max pileup, average pileup? It would be good to have a comparison of the resolution for pp, single central Au+Au and central Au+Au at max pileup (beginning of store) to see where we stand.
Cheers,
Gunther
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Re: [Sphenix-l] UPP questions,
Anthony Frawley, 05/01/2018
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Re: [Sphenix-l] UPP questions,
Edward O'Brien, 05/07/2018
- Re: [Sphenix-l] UPP questions, John Haggerty, 05/07/2018
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Re: [Sphenix-l] UPP questions,
Edward O'Brien, 05/07/2018
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