Both
sides of the dog house are access covers
that need to be removed to work inside.
Adding the feedthrough to either cover
would require another connector inside
(for which there is no room) or a long
service loop to allow the cover to be laid
back out of the way during work inside the
dog house.
Putting
the connector on the bottom would work for
me, but I don’t know what your plans are
for supporting the valve box. It’s your
choice.
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Brief Summary of sPHENIX Magnet
biweekly meeting on July 20, 2016 at
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Hi Paul,
I've discussed Paul Kovach's email/picture
with Dave Phillips, Paul Giannotti and Don
Lynch ...
1. The side of the yellow plate that you
put the flange on would be obstructed by
steel and/or very difficult to get access
to.
The other side that we can see in your JPG
picture seems to be a "door"
(yellow plate with a lot of holes)
that people need to open
it up in order to work inside (this new
doghouse) ==> you may need to take off
the cables or make the cables longer etc...
=> inconvenient.
So, by elimination, the logical or the
best choice is to put the NW40 flange on
the side that we can't see in your
picture.
Furthermore, Don Lynch agrees with what I
have just said and he thinks the future
sPHENIX detector would NOT obstruct or in
the way.
Do you see any problem with this "new"
choice ?
2. I was told that Sonny seems to know of
a connector (of ~30 pins) which would fit
into the NW40 flange (which SMD guys like to
use). I'm looking for
Sonny ... And I hope Piyush will agree that
that connector with NW40 is good enough. [
Piyush uses some more expensive stuff for
his LARG setup ... ]
So, the connection choice hopefully will be
sorted out soooooon ...
Kin
On 07/21/2016 04:41 PM,
Phillips, David B wrote:
On the High Field Test setup that location points back to the steel and even if it does fit it will be very difficult to access.
Dave
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Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 4:09 PM
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This is where I suggest that we add an NW40 quick flange to the new doghouse. I don't know what your plans are for supporting the valve box, but I assume you will be supporting it from the bottom of the dog house so I added the feedthrough on the back. If someone picks the NW40 flange and mating connector that you want to use I'll add them to the drawings. The tube on the flange is 1-1/2 dia.
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Subject: [Sphenix-magnet-l] Brief Summary of sPHENIX Magnet biweekly meeting on July 20, 2016 at 1:30 pm at the conference room
First of all, a very personal/subjective feeling here:
This meeting is a candidate for the most productive meeting of all sPHENIX Magnet biweekly meetings (so far).
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Powerpoint/Agenda page:
https://indico.bnl.gov/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=2269
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1. Today's meeting is mainly about the placement of voltage taps and temperature sensorsfor the Cryo extension (the component of which is being made in the BNL central shop).
Paul Giannotti's very useful powerpoint presentation (39 MB) can be found in the above indico page as well as at the top of the "past presentations" page of our sPHENIX Magnet webpage :
https://collab.external.bnl.gov/sites/sPHENIX-Magnet/Past%20Presentations/
In the meeting, Paul showed us his understanding of the voltage taps and temperature sensors with pro-E drawings from Paul Kovach, photos of the
existing system as well as his own design/schematic drawings. He's
proposed to add 12 new voltage taps (VT18-VT29) in addition to the existing (VT01 - VT17)and there was no objection to his proposal.
We have spent quite some time discussing how to route the new voltage tap cables out of the system(extension/valve-box/doghouse). Paul first suggested to route the cables through an existingcross as shown in page
15 of his presentation by making new connections. Paul Orfin commented that he needed to check with Richard Meier to see whether there is enough room left there. But later, Paul Kovachsuggested using flanges at the doghouses/junction-box so that the cables can come out directly from the doghouse instead of routing all cables through the entire extension.
The old doghouse has a flange that we can use but Ed O'Brien and Don Lynch told us that there is not enough room as they're surrounded by the HCAL. Don said that we don't even have enough space to put the flange at the side and let cables coming out at 90 deg.
So, it's decided to put a new flange at the new doghouse and Paul Kovach said that it's an easy enough task to do. He'll modify his extension drawings and send to central shop to make this modification.
The voltage taps will be added when the extension components (made by the Central Shop) are being assembled in Bldg. 902.
2. We then discussed about the temperature sensors. The cryo group
has planned to add 4 temperature sensors as shown in Paul Giannotti's
presentation page 2 (TE1786H, TE1787H, TE1788H & TE1789H) at the joints
of both ends of the extension (for both + and - paths). Cryo group is
using the CERNOX type of temperature sensor. [ The Cryo group had
already planned to add two for the low current test but they were not
added because that location was wrapped before they could manage to
install the sensors.
Carl Schultheiss suggested to add a total of 2 more temperature sensors,
each next to the (He) outlet beneath both the current leads, for
diagnostic/debugging purpose when we see a quench or something wrong,
even though the voltage taps would tell us about the quench (etc.)
before the temperature sensors.
However, Paul Giannotti told us that those are wrapped inside the
chimney and are not accessible unless we break open the chimney and all
those wrappings. People felt that this was an action too risky to
take. Furthermore, Joe Muratore (who has been very experienced in the
diagnosing magnet quenches or other problems) told us that the voltage
taps actually may tell us more than the temperature sensors and he
felt/thought it's enough to have the voltage taps (without the
additional temperature sensors) if it's impractical to add the
temperature sensors.
So, it's decided not to add additional temperature sensors. Peter
Wanderer and Joe promised that Joe will come to debug/diagnose the
problem when the sPHENIX Magnet has a problem like that in the future :-)
3a. I mentioned that, through email communication with John Cozzolino,
John told me that after changing the "current" to "current densities" in
his ANSYS Maxwell model, John's simulation/calculation now obtain a
central field very close to Wuzheng's (and the real measurements that
we have had at 100 A test). John told us now, he's using the new
B-field results (in 2D) and going through the ANSYS stress analysis.
He's comparing this all-ANSYS result with his stress analysis results
that he used Wuzheng's B-field/force (from Opera) as input to ANSYS'
stress analysis. He'll probably show us in the next meeting.
3b. This coming Friday (July 22), there will be a small
discussion/review with Pablo Rosas' changes on the sPHENIX Magnet Power
Supply (originally from BaBar) such that Pablo will show a few of us
(including some power supply experts) his changes to the power supply.
3c. Carl Schultheiss has also promised to show us (including Bob
Lambiase) a scheme of the quench detection/DAQ for the full-field test.
He said this may happen in a couple of weeks.
4. Jim Mills asked about the scheduling. I informed people that the
Cryo group (Paul Orfin/Roberto Than) has sent their changes to the old
version of the Microsoft Project file and I've passed them to Dave
Phillips. Frank Achim (who has just got back from vacation) and Carl
haven't done the scheduling modification yet. Carl said he'll make the
changes after discussing it with Pablo, esp. after the above-mentioned
Friday's review. Dave Phillips told me after the meeting that he still
thinks the welding is the critical path --- here we assume that the
extension works will be done on time.
4.1 Ed O'Brien has asked me to ask Jon Hock for his cost estimate for
the welding and bracket etc. for the return yoke (for full-field
test). I sent an email when I couldn't find Jon. But just before
writing this, I met Dave and Jon and Jon said that he'll do this on
Friday (as he had to work on the ERL-related stuff tomorrow on Thursday).
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