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[Sphenix-magnet-l] hipot also succeeded after ceramic breaks are wrapped
- From: "Yip, Kin" <kinyip AT bnl.gov>
- To: "sphenix-magnet-l AT lists.bnl.gov" <sphenix-magnet-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
- Cc: "Sandberg, Jon N" <jsandberg AT bnl.gov>, "Riker, Kenneth D" <kenr AT bnl.gov>, Glenn Young <glennyoung82251 AT gmail.com>, "Bruno, Donald" <bruno AT bnl.gov>
- Subject: [Sphenix-magnet-l] hipot also succeeded after ceramic breaks are wrapped
- Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2022 18:30:09 +0000
Hi,
So, Ken Riker put on the Kapton tapes to wrap around both ceramic breaks that
are connected to the Lead A, Carl did the
hipot again (before 2 pm) today. It succeeded. That's, at DC voltage, the
leakage is 0 A (the sensitivity of that meter is ~10 micro-amp).
(1) "For fun/test", if Carl put in a threshold 100 micro-amp
(instantaneous), the meter would trip. At 1 mA, it wouldn't trip (on the
way to 520 V).
(2) I took a picture of what Ken Riker wrote after this task. Please keep
doing this after you finish a task with the Valvebox.
(3) Probably for Paul Orfin 😊 Carl found a roll of Kapton tapes and a roll
of Aluminium tape on the floor of the Valvebox scaffolding platform.
I took a picture of it. Carl strongly recommends that you use Kapton as
much as possible, not Al 😊 See "UseKaptonNotAluminium.jpg" 😊
Kin
-----Original Message-----
From: Yip, Kin
Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2022 1:19 PM
To: sphenix-magnet-l AT lists.bnl.gov
Cc: Sullivan, Daniel <dans AT bnl.gov>; Galioto, Peter <pgalioto AT bnl.gov>
Subject: hipot - no problem at the moment ... should do multiple ones in the
future whenever there is a major change.
Hi,
It took us sometime to gather all the equipment this morning --- including a
baroscope that I borrowed from our ATF colleagues
last Friday.
(0) Last Thursday, we set the threshold at 10 micro-amp and let the voltage
ramp continuously and Lead A(+) failed but Lead B(-) succeeded.
(1) Carl always has a suspicion of humidity. ( Today is dryer than last
Thursday ? )
(2) This morning, when we poking around and Carl didn't like a piece of
Aluminium tape near the end chimney (at the bottom). Though it's
attached and outside a Kapton, Carl said that Kapton can have holes ?! ....
This is probably not the reason but I'd just like to write it down here.
I took a picture of the Aluminium tape that we took off from the end of
chimney. I took a picture.
We also tried to keep a bit of distance of those wires from the ends of the
leads near the end of chimney.
(3) As I suspected in my last email (below) was that, today when we did the
hipot with Carl's "Stanford" meter/power-supply, he just
keyed in the voltage like 50 V, 75 V, 100 V, 150 V ... until 520 V. Each
time when the voltage increases, you saw some instantaneous
jump at the current for a split of a second such as 10 micro-amp or 50
micro-amp but then it became "0" amp. At DC, we always
saw "0" micro-amp. That meter can see only 0.01 mA (10 micro-amp). The
maximum threshold was the default 5 mA.
So, at DC, even at 520 V (our hipot voltage), the leakage current is still 0
A (as far as the meter sensitivity goes).
We did this for Lead A first and succeeded. Later on, we did it for Lead B
(and we realized that the threshold was 5 mA and we set it to 1 mA)
and Lead B succeded as well.
=>> So,
(1) Carl has advised that we should use Kapton tape as much as possible.
(2) We'll do this hipot whenever there is major change. So, this afternoon,
at 1:30 pm or so, Ken Riker would use Kapton to re-tape the
ceramic break. We'll do another hipot. And then if it's OK, we'll tape
another ceramic break and do another hipot.
(3) I left a "logbook" there. I recorded what we did this morning. I asked
the Cryo group (Ken Riker, Paul Orfin ...) to please write down
anything that they did. So that we may keep track .... I attach the
picture of the first page of the "logbook".
Kin
-----Original Message-----
From: Yip, Kin
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2022 4:44 PM
To: Schultheiss, Carl <carls AT bnl.gov>
Subject: Manual/slow hipot ...
Hi Carl,
I just chatted with Don Bruno and I remember the hipot test that we did
in early 2018 for the high-field test.
When SMD techs did the hipot test, the voltage ramped continuously at
first at 3V/second and was later changed to probably 1.5V/second or so.
But when I talked with Don, Don told me that you guys usually ramp it up
slowly by hand, and you'd stop at each step to allow the leak current to
be steady before you ramp up again.  I think it was like that too when
we did the hipot test in 2018.
But this was not the case when we did the hipot test last Thursday.Â
Because their "automatic" program just kept rising constantly (at 3V/s
or 1.5V/s without waiting for a steady leak current) until it failed and
went beyond 10 micro-Amp or suffered an "arc failure". [ In any case,
-Lead is better than +Lead. ]
Maybe, if we do the hipot more slowly, the hipot could succeed. Don told
me that it should be "DC", not "AC". { During nominal ramping for the
sPHENIX Magnet, the voltage is low, like 10-20 V or something like that. }
This "slow" scheme could result in the same failure but may be not ?!
It's worthwhile trying.
You are the expert :-)Â Â It's just a thought ...
Kin
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