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  • From: Xin Dong <xdong AT lbl.gov>
  • To: Xudong Yu <yuxd AT stu.pku.edu.cn>
  • Cc: sphenix-maps-l AT lists.bnl.gov
  • Subject: Re: [Sphenix-maps-l] [EXTERNAL] Re: MVTX meeting next Monday 7/1 12:30PM/ET
  • Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2024 22:08:26 -0700
Hi Xudong,

The distribution is plotted as a function phi, but for all the clusters integrated over the full z region. While all staves have the same z length, so it will be a constant scaling factor compared to the hit area density distributions on the cylinder surface.

dN/dz will not be a constant as it also depends on the distance to the beam position while this distance scales with the radial distance (rphi direction and z direction are both orthogonal to the radial direction). Thus, the area density dependence will need to be squared then. For clarification, one may run a MC to test it out.

Feel free to ping me offline if you prefer more detailed discussions.

Thanks and Best Regards

/xin 


On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 8:06 PM Xudong Yu <yuxd AT stu.pku.edu.cn> wrote:
Dear Xin,

Thanks for your reply. I don't understand why you said "area density", since you fit to 1D phi distribution. Isn't it only a 1D pdf w.r.t. phi? Even if you consider z distribution, it should be dN/dz=1?

For second question, I mean (-8mm, 2mm) is the position of beam position w.r.t. MVTX center,  and MVTX center is not the same as sPHENIX center. As fas as i know, due to installation, MVTX center is about 5mm west to the sPHENIX center.

MVTX center x + (-8mm) = beam x position ≈ vertex x position. And we know that, according to Hao-Ren's vertex distribution, vertex peak at x=-5mm. Therefore, i said it is consistent with vertex distribution. If i am wrong, please correct me.

Best regards,
Xudong
Original:
Hi Xu-Dong,

Thanks for looking into this. The hit density we are looking at here is the area density. At the leading order, there will be another same factor (1+ d/R * cos(phi-phi0)) for dN/dz, therefore, the hit density we are looking at here would be (1 + d/R *cos(phi-phi0)) ^2.  Keeping the leading term, it will become 1 + 2*d/R*cos(phi-phi0). I think you may also run a MC to test it.

I have one question regarding your statement "... (-8mm, 2mm), ... which is consistent with vertex distribution peak position." What do you mean here? And also MVTX center is not necessary to be the sPHENIX center.

Thanks and Best Regards

/xin



On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 6:30 PM Xu-Dong Yu <yuxd AT stu.pku.edu.cn> wrote:
Dear Xin,

Thanks for your very nice and very interesting study. I have a comment that maybe your formula has an extra coefficient of 2. After correcting it, beam position w.r.t. MVTX center should be about (X0,Y0) ~ (-8mm,2mm) which is consistent with vertex distribution peak position which is w.r.t. sPHENIX origin. You can see the attached manuscript. If i am wrong, please refute me. Thanks

Best regards,

Xudong



On Jul 2, 2024, at 16:35, Xin Dong via sPHENIX-MAPS-l <sphenix-maps-l AT lists.bnl.gov> wrote:

Hi Joe and HaoRen,

Thanks a lot. The runs after 47002 contain the MVTX cluster phi distributions. The summary of the run dependence can be found below.
<MVTX_BL_run.png>
I see there are more runs appearing in the directory. I can keep updating the figure with more data coming in.

Thanks and Best Regards

/xin

On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 12:16 PM Osborn, Joseph <josborn1 AT bnl.gov> wrote:
Hao-Ren is correct. Those files are being aggregated, they are much larger so they take longer to aggregate. But they show up in the same directory under *CLUSTER* instead of *SEED*.



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Physics Department
Brookhaven National Laboratory


From: Hao-Ren Jheng
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2024 3:02 PM
To: Xin Dong
Cc: Osborn, Joseph; SPHENIX MVTX
Subject: Re: [Sphenix-maps-l] [EXTERNAL] Re: MVTX meeting next Monday 7/1 12:30PM/ET

Hi Xin, all,

I think the MVTX cluster QA module is already merged into the coresoftware: https://github.com/sPHENIX-Collaboration/coresoftware/blob/master/offline/QA/Tracking/MvtxClusterQA.cc
Newer runs should have the cluster histograms from the production.

Best,
Hao-Ren

On Jul 2, 2024, at 14:19, Xin Dong via sPHENIX-MAPS-l <sphenix-maps-l AT lists.bnl.gov> wrote:

Hi Joe,

Thanks. I took a look at several root files. It seems the MVTX cluster QA histograms (cluster vs. phi particularly, not associated with tracking, just all clusters) are not saved in these files. Probably we should encourage Hao-Ren to integrate his code updates into the production so we can monitor them along with the run goes.

Thanks and Best Regards

/xin

On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 11:05 AM Osborn, Joseph <josborn1 AT bnl.gov> wrote:
You can find many runs produced as a part of the production here:
/sphenix/data/data02/sphnxpro/QAhtml/aggregated/*SEED*

Take a look and let me know if you find issues,

Joe

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Physics Department
Brookhaven National Laboratory
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Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2024 1:58 PM
To: Liu, Ming Xiong <mliu AT lanl.gov>
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Subject: Re: [Sphenix-maps-l] [EXTERNAL] Re: MVTX meeting next Monday 7/1 12:30PM/ET
 
Hi Ming and All,

I looped through all the runs that Hao-Ren generated (actually turns out only 7 runs have the valid entries). Please see the updated slides in the same indico location

The run dependence can be found here. It is reasonably stable up to 46677. 
<MVTX_BL_run.png>

Hi Haoren, if you have new production data, feel free to share. 

I also put the macros and figures in the following Git directory.

Comments are very welcome. Thanks and Regards

/xin

On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 8:44 AM Liu, Ming Xiong <mliu AT lanl.gov> wrote:

Hi Xin and Hao-Ren,

 

Nice! 

Yes, I agree we should have the beam centered wrt to MVTX for best physics, and we  

 

Hao-Ren, did you use the ideal geometry or the updated one from Yasser’s corrections?  

 

Cheers,

Ming  

 
 

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From: Xin Dong <xdong AT lbl.gov>
Date: Monday, July 1, 2024 at 11:59 PM
To: Hao-Ren Jheng <hrjheng AT mit.edu>
Cc: Ming Liu <mliu AT lanl.gov>, SPHENIX MVTX <sphenix-maps-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Sphenix-maps-l] MVTX meeting next Monday 7/1 12:30PM/ET

 

Hi All,

 

Thanks Hao-Ren for generating the QA histograms. Based on his root file, I did a quick analysis and please see the findings below

 

https://indico.bnl.gov/event/24069/contributions/93529/attachments/55585/95095/20240701_MVTX_BeamLine.pdf

The slides are also posted to today's MVTX meeting indico page

 

The proposed actions can be found in the last page:

 

1) W.r.t. the condition for the data that Hao-Ren generated, I would propose we request CAD to move the beam orbit at sPHENIX IR horizontally towards x+ direction by 4mm, and if possible, also vertically downwards by 1mm.

 

2) But, the beam position may change, particularly considering recent changes in terms of beam conditions, we should re-analyze the latest beam data and check again.

 

3) We should continue monitoring the beam position throughout the Run. The MVTX cluster phi distributions are a good measure to monitor this.

 

Comments and suggestions are more than welcome. Thanks and best Regards

 

/xin

 
 

On Mon, Jul 1, 2024 at 8:46 PM Xin Dong <xdong AT lbl.gov> wrote:

Hi Hao-Ren,

 

Thank you. I have one question regarding the MVTX cluster phi distribution. You labeled "w.r.t origin". So what origin was used here for the cluster phi angle calculation? If you can clarify, that would be much appreciated.

 

Thanks and Best Regards

 

/xin

 

On Mon, Jul 1, 2024 at 2:41 PM Hao-Ren Jheng <hrjheng AT mit.edu> wrote:

Hi Xin,

 

I just uploaded my slide to the indico page:https://indico.bnl.gov/event/24069/contributions/93529/attachments/55585/95090/MVTXComm-20240701.pdf.

You can find one of the histogram files under my working directory: /sphenix/user/hjheng/sPHENIXRepo/macros/TrackingProduction/HIST_PHYSICS_run2pp_new_2024p001-00046667-0000.root

(You may find the histograms in this file are not the same as the plots I showed in the meeting. I figure a run without any stave missing is more convenient for you to make use of it.)

 

Please let me know if you have any further suggestion to the QA module.

 

Best,

Hao-Ren



On Jul 1, 2024, at 16:22, Xin Dong via sPHENIX-MAPS-l <sphenix-maps-l AT lists.bnl.gov> wrote:

 

Hi Hao-Ren,

 

Could you post your nice QA slides you showed today at the MVTX meeting to indico? Particularly, if you can also share with me the histogram root files for the MVTX layer cluster density distributions vs. phi and the event Vy vs. Vx, I can try to do a quick calculation on the beam position shift w.r.t to the MVTX center and we may feed back to the operation team and make the request.

 

Thanks and Regards

 

/xin

 
 

On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 8:39 AM Liu, Ming Xiong via sPHENIX-MAPS-l <sphenix-maps-l AT lists.bnl.gov> wrote:

Dear all,

We will have MVTX meeting next Monday at the usual time, 12:30PM/ET.

  • MVTX operation status 
  • Offline analysis- raw data QA & monitoring, noise/threshold, alignment etc.
  • AOB
 

Draft agenda, https://indico.bnl.gov/event/24069/

 

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Berkeley, CA 94720, USA
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Nuclear Science Division, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
MS70R0319, One Cyclotron Road
Berkeley, CA 94720, USA
Tel: +1-510-486-4121
Email: XDong AT lbl.gov
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Nuclear Science Division, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
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