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Re: [Sphenix-software-l] [reminder] sPHENIX simulation and software meeting, Tue Aug 29nd, 1PM EST @ 2-219
- From: John Lajoie <lajoie AT iastate.edu>
- To: sphenix-software-l AT lists.bnl.gov
- Subject: Re: [Sphenix-software-l] [reminder] sPHENIX simulation and software meeting, Tue Aug 29nd, 1PM EST @ 2-219
- Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2017 08:46:47 -0500
Dear sPHENIX Simulators, As many of you are aware, there has been a lot of discussion
lately about ways to reduce the overall cost of sPHENIX, and
making modifications to the inner HCAL design is a part of that
discussion. One of the things that we have been looking at is the
possibility of making the inner HCAL from a cheaper non-magnetic
material, like Al, as opposed to SS310 stainless steel. Another
option is replacing the inner HCAL with a frame to hold up the
EMCal. Sasha Lebedev and Abhisek have been looking at simulations of
single-particle energy resolution and hadron rejection in embedded
HIJING events for a Al inner HCAL, and they will present their
results at next week's HCAL meeting. At the risk of starting a
discussion without most people having seen their results, I will
say that the results are promising enough that I would like the
simulations group and Jet ToG to start an effort to look at the
jet energy resolution. As the timescale for some of these
decisions is shortening, it would be helpful if there could be a
discussion at this week's simulation meeting, and a start of the
necessary production soon. As a staring point for discussion, what I suggest is the
following - repeat the pythia jets production that was used in the
existing jets note with the standard configuration (inner HCAL
made from SS310) and a modified inner HCAL with the material made
from G4_Al. I believe that both are necessary as there have been
changes to the simulation code since the previous results, most
notably the HCAL digitization has now been included in the
standard macros. These simulations will be able to serve two
purposes: -> Examine the effect of changing this inner HCAL material
change on the jet energy resolution, and compare to the
single-particle results from Abhisek. -> Examine the effect of no inner HCAL - just an Al frame. I believe that the latter can be done by just ignoring the inner
HCAL in calculating the jet energy in the Al inner HCAL
simulations, but this takes some explanation. Let's assume that we want to replace the inner HCAL with just an
Al frame. It will still need to support the weight of the EMCal.
In talking with the engineers, it will still most likely be some
sort of a box-beam structure (as it is now) as that is
mechanically very strong. In addition, we won't design the frame
with large gaps as that would create non-uniformities and open
areas that would allow the soft part of a jet to spread out in the
magnetic field. The combination of these two dictates that an Al
frame would look very much like the existing inner HCAL mechanical
structure, so, in the absence of a detailed frame design we can
simulate the effect by just including and inner HCAL made from Al
and ignoring the energy collected in the scintillator. Including a frame of dead material will have two effects - it
will degrade the energy resolution, and it could spread out the
shower. What I'm suggesting is we take the approach that we won't
design a frame that makes the latter any worse, and look at the
effect on the former. This has the advantage of being something
we can do right now. Rather than doing the full pythia embedded in HIJING first, I
would suggest that the jets ToG look at the energy for pythia jets
first. Based on those results we could decide if a full embedded
study is warranted. Regards, On 8/28/2017 6:53 AM, Huang, Jin wrote:
Hello everyone,
We will have a regular sPHENIX simulation and software meeting, Tue Aug 29nd, 1PM EST @ 2-219
Following last week’s discussion, Tony will introduce new tunes for tracking simulation to reflect updated understanding of the TPC occupancy. Further contributions will be welcomed too.
The agenda page is at https://indico.bnl.gov/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=2708 , for which the common modification password is "1008" • For residents at BNL, we will meet at the 2-219 conference room if not closed for snow • To join the Meeting via phone bridge: https://bluejeans.com/619960505 • To join via Phone:1) Dial: +1.408.740.7256 +1.888.240.2560(US Toll Free) +1.408.317.9253(Alternate number) (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers) 2) Enter Conference ID: 619960505
Looking forward to talking to you,
Cheers,
Jin
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[Sphenix-software-l] [reminder] sPHENIX simulation and software meeting, Tue Aug 29nd, 1PM EST @ 2-219,
Huang, Jin, 08/28/2017
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Re: [Sphenix-software-l] [reminder] sPHENIX simulation and software meeting, Tue Aug 29nd, 1PM EST @ 2-219,
John Lajoie, 08/29/2017
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Re: [Sphenix-software-l] [reminder] sPHENIX simulation and software meeting, Tue Aug 29nd, 1PM EST @ 2-219,
Edouard Kistenev, 08/29/2017
- Re: [Sphenix-software-l] [reminder] sPHENIX simulation and software meeting, Tue Aug 29nd, 1PM EST @ 2-219, Edouard Kistenev, 08/29/2017
- Re: [Sphenix-software-l] [reminder] sPHENIX simulation and software meeting, Tue Aug 29nd, 1PM EST @ 2-219, John Lajoie, 08/29/2017
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Re: [Sphenix-software-l] [reminder] sPHENIX simulation and software meeting, Tue Aug 29nd, 1PM EST @ 2-219,
Edouard Kistenev, 08/29/2017
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Re: [Sphenix-software-l] [reminder] sPHENIX simulation and software meeting, Tue Aug 29nd, 1PM EST @ 2-219,
John Lajoie, 08/29/2017
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