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Re: [[Sphenix-tracking-l] ] [[Sphenix-intt-l] ] Question about silicon seeds/INTT QA
- From: Genki Nukazuka <genki.nukazuka AT riken.jp>
- To: Hao-Ren Jheng <hrjheng AT mit.edu>
- Cc: "sphenix-intt-l AT lists.bnl.gov" <sphenix-intt-l AT lists.bnl.gov>, "Osborn, Joseph" <josborn1 AT bnl.gov>, "Nagle, James" <Jamie.nagle AT colorado.edu>, Joe Osborn <osbornjd91 AT gmail.com>, Anthony Frawley via sPHENIX-tracking-l <sphenix-tracking-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
- Subject: Re: [[Sphenix-tracking-l] ] [[Sphenix-intt-l] ] Question about silicon seeds/INTT QA
- Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 15:29:24 +0000
Dear Hao-Ren,
It's good to add the hot channel rejection process to official data production. Joseph uploaded a dummy module, which will be replaced by another module, for the implementation of the production chain, in my understanding. I don't know who works on adding the
process to the official production chain. Also, we, the INTT group, need to finish the hot channel rejection procedure. It needs to be optimized. Since the rejection needs to be done before clustering, updating the rejection process too many times is not a
good idea concerning computing resources, in my opinion.
Best regards,
Genki
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Genki Nukazuka
Special Postdoctoral Researcher
RIKEN/RBRC
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差出人: Hao-Ren Jheng
送信: 2024 年 7 月 10 日 (水曜日) 8:57
宛先: Genki Nukazuka
Cc: sphenix-intt-l AT lists.bnl.gov; Osborn, Joseph; Nagle, James; Joe Osborn; Anthony Frawley via sPHENIX-tracking-l
件名: Re: [[Sphenix-intt-l] ] Question about silicon seeds/INTT QA
Dear Genki and Jaein,
Thanks for your feedback.
These offline QA are produced with the sPHENIX production and software, so a follow-up question would be: is there a plan to implement the hot channel mask for Run2024, or is it already an on-going task, to improve the seeding aside from tuning the parameters?
(I do not know if this is a valid question or it makes any sense)
Best,
Hao-Ren
*In the MVTX group we recently had an updated set of pixel masks ready and remaining tasks are being worked on, If I am not mistaken
On Jul 9, 2024, at 20:54, Genki Nukazuka <genki.nukazuka AT riken.jp> wrote:
Dear Hao-Ren,
I remember that you showed this plot in the shift change meeting on June/19 (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s0KTIgEyfS9PbAy6WVfta86m8bVLP7QNJ0KBexweTK4/edit), and I commented at that time. This is due to some hot channels in the INTT data. You need to remove them before clustering. You can ask Jaein (jaeinhwang213 AT gmail.com) for technical help. If you need INTT cluster data with hot channel removal right now, I can make it quickly.
Best,Genki----Genki NukazukaSpecial Postdoctoral ResearcherRIKEN/RBRC----
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件名: Re: [[Sphenix-intt-l] ] Question about silicon seeds/INTT QAHi all, and adding the tracking list for further comments others might have,
Here are a few comments from the tracking side of things.
The seeding algorithm uses wide search windows right now to try to ensure that we get some correlation between the silicon. These windows were blown up based on the previous MVTX ideal geometry, where there was significant layer to layer rotation (i.e. the ideal geometry was wrong compared to how the MVTX was actually constructed). That rotation has now been implemented to reduce the residuals, so these windows likely need to be re-tuned. The silicon seeding algorithm creates (at a minimum) triplets in the 5 layers. In our simulation, we deploy this algorithm in the MVTX to reduce the presence of duplicates. In the real data, with the misalignment, we found we could not find anything in the MVTX alone (again, before the rotation alignment fix), so we expanded the seeding algorithm to search in the MVTX+INTT. This means you likely get a nontrivial background of fake tracks where 2 layers of the MVTX match to a single layer in the INTT. Silicon seeds should not be considered as real tracks. We need to make some basic quality criteria to reduce the presence of background, mismatches, etc. One of these that we have been using in alignment studies is that the track must have 5 measurements on it, for exactly this reason.
I'm happy to chat about this more. The track reconstruction is going to continuously need to be optimized as we learn more about the alignment, backgrounds, timing correlation between the silicon subsystems, etc. Right now we need to make selections to have high purity at a cost of efficiency, and as we learn more about the data we will be able to re-tune these to improve the efficiency with a cost to purity.
Joe Osborn
___________________________Joe Osborn, Ph.DPhysics DepartmentBrookhaven National Laboratoryjosborn1 AT bnl.gov
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Subject: [[Sphenix-intt-l] ] Question about silicon seeds/INTT QA
Dear INTT group and experts (cc RC, Jamie, and tracking expert, Joe),
I have been working on the silicon seeds offline QA and have one question that requires INTT experts’ input.
We have one QA plot showing the correlation between number of MVTX clusters v.s number of INTT clusters per silicon-only track, and we are seeing a large fraction of tracks having only 1 INTT cluster (please see the attached plot).
Do you have an idea why this is the case and what could be the cause of it?
Best,
Hao-Ren
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Re: [[Sphenix-tracking-l] ] [[Sphenix-intt-l] ] Question about silicon seeds/INTT QA,
Osborn, Joseph, 07/09/2024
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Re: [[Sphenix-tracking-l] ] [[Sphenix-intt-l] ] Question about silicon seeds/INTT QA,
Genki Nukazuka, 07/09/2024
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Re: [[Sphenix-tracking-l] ] [[Sphenix-intt-l] ] Question about silicon seeds/INTT QA,
Hao-Ren Jheng, 07/10/2024
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Re: [[Sphenix-tracking-l] ] [[Sphenix-intt-l] ] Question about silicon seeds/INTT QA,
Genki Nukazuka, 07/10/2024
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Perepelitsa, Dennis, 07/10/2024
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