STAR Flow, Chirality and Vorticity PWG

[Prithwish Tribedy <ptribedy AT rcf.rhic.bnl.gov>]

Hello Jagbir,
  In the interest of time and because we're not showing any new results 
from what you had shown at the QM-19, I am signing-off your poster and 
sending it to physics. But please go though the text once more as there 
are still typos like:

"Event-by-event study of charge separation is one the obseravables"
-->
"Event-by-event study of charge separation is one of the observables"

Also, Please address if ShinIchi and others have any follow up comments. 
Let's also follow up on the analysis details in the other forum.

Finally, please make an entry for all the preliminary plots on the STAR 
drupal page.

Best,
Prithwish



On 2020-12-14 12:11, jagbir wrote:
> Dear Shinichi,
>
> Please find my replies below:-
>
> --------
>
> Fig.5 should be rebinned to be more visible, where we do not see if
> they are correlated or not.
>
> I can update the plot.
>
> -------
>
> Is your Fig.6 (that was not in your QM poster) consistent with Fig.8
> that was in the QM poster?
> This might be the case, though. Delta_gamma is defined to be gamma(OS) 
> -
> gamma(SS), where
> the difference : blue (data) - red (shuffled) in SS has somewhat larger
> magnitude with negative
> sign than in OS for the top DBmax, while it is larger in OS than in SS
> for the middle to small
> DBmax region, which could be interesting. At the end of the figure
> caption of Fig.6, you say
> “for each centrality”, but it is mainly "for the mid-central
> collisions”, was this Fig.6 approved for
> preliminary in the last QM?, sorry I do not remember, since you did not
> store them in the database…
>
> Yes, Fig. 6 is consistent with Fig. 8. For QM-19 gamma OS and gamma SS
> were approved by PWG, But
> in the poster only delta gamma was present. At that time we plotted
> gamma SS/OS in two different figures. Here I clubbed both same sign
> gamma and opposite sign gamma in one figure.
>
> --------
>
> In Fig.7, you say it’s linear, but it’s curving up to me. Why do you
> only show SS in this Fig.7? Since
> this is just for the top 10% of DBmax, so these 8 points are for the 8
> centrality bins?
>
> Here in this figure we want to say that as the fractional dumbbell
> charge separation increases, the gamma SS/OS increases for top 10 % of
> Db+-max. Yes, 8 points are for 8 centralities taking only the top (top
> 10% Db+-max) point in each centrality
>
> -------
>
> In Fig.9, why did you choose to show only the BG subtraction with
> shuffling, where you
> were showing both subtractions with shuffling and random flow for your
> QM poster.
>
> Yes, at that time we were considering background from Random events
> after adding flow.
> But now  we are considering background from charge reshuffle and 
> correlated bkg.
> Thats why I have shown only charge reshuffle in the fcme plot.
>
> ------
>
> Thank you,
>
> With Regards,
> Jagbir Singh
>
>
> On 2020-12-14 20:33, ShinIchi Esumi wrote:
> > Dear Jagbir
> > Fig.5 should be rebinned to be more visible, where we do not see if
> > they are correlated or not.
> > Is your Fig.6 (that was not in your QM poster) consistent with Fig.8
> > that was in the QM poster?
> > This might be the case, though. Delta_gamma is defined to be gamma(OS)
> > - gamma(SS), where
> > the difference : blue (data) - red (shuffled) in SS has somewhat
> > larger magnitude with negative
> > sign than in OS for the top DBmax, while it is larger in OS than in SS
> > for the middle to small
> > DBmax region, which could be interesting. At the end of the figure
> > caption of Fig.6, you say
> > “for each centrality”, but it is mainly "for the mid-central
> > collisions”, was this Fig.6 approved for
> > preliminary in the last QM?, sorry I do not remember, since you did
> > not store them in the database…
> > In Fig.7, you say it’s linear, but it’s curving up to me. Why do you
> > only show SS in this Fig.7? Since
> > this is just for the top 10% of DBmax, so these 8 points are for the 8
> > centrality bins? In Fig.9, why
> > did you choose to show only the BG subtraction with shuffling, where
> > you were showing both
> > subtractions with shuffling and random flow for your QM poster.
> > Best regards, ShinIchi
> >
> > > 2020/12/14 16:43、jagbir <jagbir AT rcf.rhic.bnl.gov>のメール:
> > >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > I tried to send email to FCV list earlier but for me, sometime its 
> > > not working. I am sorry if you recieved the same email again. I have 
> > > updated the delta gamma, gamma and fcme plot from QM-19 keeping only 
> > > data and charge reshuffle. Please let me know  for further comments 
> > > and suggestions, The link to the updated poster is:
> > > https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/node/53026
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Jagbir Singh
> > >
> > > On 2020-12-14 09:24, jagbir via Star-fcv-l wrote:
> > > > Dear Prithwish,
> > > > I have updated the Db distribution plot ( QM-19 plot ).
> > > > I have updated the gamma  and delta gamma plots by removing the
> > > > correlated background.
> > > > I have re-plotted the f_cme plot from QM-19 containing the 
> > > > information
> > > > only from charge reshuffle background.
> > > > Please let me know about any further comments/suggestions.
> > > > The link to the updated poster is:
> > > > https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/node/53026
> > > > The poster presentation for DAE is on 15th December after lunch, 
> > > > i.e.,
> > > > 15 December midnight (BNL time).
> > > > Thank you,
> > > > Jagbir Singh
> > > > On 2020-12-13 09:29, Prithwish Tribedy wrote:
> > > > > Hi Jagbir,
> > > > >  Just to follow up on ShinIchi's suggestions. Since there's very
> > > > > little time before the conference and there are many questions --
> > > > > would it be possible for you to replace some of the new preliminary
> > > > > results with what you showed at the QM, in particular the plot on
> > > > > f_CME :
> > > > > https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/QM_Poster_Jagbir_v7.pdf
> > > > > But do include a para (or more) and details on your ongoing study 
> > > > > with
> > > > > the STAR data. We need more time to show new plots but we can
> > > > > definitely update on the progress at this conference by saying a 
> > > > > few
> > > > > words. This way we will be able to approve your poster presentation
> > > > > which is only 3-4 days away.
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Prithwish
> > > > > On 2020-12-12 18:03, ShinIchi Esumi wrote:
> > > > > > Dear Jagbir
> > > > > > There has already been some preliminary plots that were shown in 
> > > > > > your poster
> > > > > > for the last QM, these results were different from this, so you 
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > not change/update
> > > > > > until you go to the final publication, unless there are some 
> > > > > > obvious
> > > > > > errors in the analysis,
> > > > > > which needs to be discussed in the PWG and cleared/agreed on what 
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > do. As Fuqiang
> > > > > > also pointed out, in addition to the unanswered questions, you did 
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > answer to my
> > > > > > questions/comments/suggestions yet…
> > > > > > Best regards, ShinIchi
> > > > > > > On Dec 13, 2020, at 4:26, Wang, Fuqiang <fqwang AT purdue.edu> 
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi Jagbir, All,
> > > > > > > I'm very concerned about these results being presented outside 
> > > > > > > STAR as preliminary physics results. There are many unanswered 
> > > > > > > questions (e.g. my email several weeks ago was not answered) and 
> > > > > > > many of the technical issues people raised during your last CME 
> > > > > > > focus group meeting discussion need to be looked into (I will 
> > > > > > > write in a separate email my follow-up questions to your email to 
> > > > > > > CMEfg yesterday). I would be fine if your poster is to discuss a 
> > > > > > > technical method to search for the CME, but I'd be very worried 
> > > > > > > that any physics results be presented as STAR preliminary.
> > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > Fuqiang
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Star-fcv-l <star-fcv-l-bounces AT lists.bnl.gov> On Behalf Of 
> > > > > > > > jagbir via Star-
> > > > > > > > fcv-l
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 9:32 PM
> > > > > > > > To: STAR Flow, Chirality and Vorticity PWG 
> > > > > > > > <star-fcv-l AT lists.bnl.gov>;
> > > > > > > > ptribedy AT rcf.rhic.bnl.gov; esumi.shinichi.gn AT u.tsukuba.ac.jp;
> > > > > > > > jiangyong.jia AT stonybrook.edu
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Star-fcv-l] STAR presentation by Jagbir Singh for 
> > > > > > > > DAE HEP 2020
> > > > > > > > submitted for review
> > > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > > Sorry for uploading the poster very late.
> > > > > > > > I request you to please review the poster and give your comments 
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > suggestions.
> > > > > > > > The conference is on 14 December.
> > > > > > > > the link to the poster is here below:
> > > > > > > > https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/node/53026
> > > > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > Jagbir Singh
> > > > > > > > On 2020-12-09 23:33, webmaster--- via Star-fcv-l wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Dear star-fcv-l AT lists.bnl.gov members,
> > > > > > > > > Jagbir Singh (jagbir1593 AT gmail.com) has submitted a material 
> > > > > > > > > for a
> > > > > > > > > review, please have a look:
> > > > > > > > > https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/node/53026
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