STAR Flow, Chirality and Vorticity PWG

[ShinIchi Esumi <esumi.shinichi.gn AT u.tsukuba.ac.jp>]

Dear Niseem
I understood your situation, one can do limited things in a limited time. 
Since you are comparing your data with the AMPT to argue about physics 
implication, therefore I would still like to see them (data and model) side 
by side 
in each step of your analysis, especially you say “S -> S’ -> S” is just the 
scaling 
on R, which is done separately between them, so I would guess the scaling 
factors 
are different between them, so the scaling would directly impact on your 
comparison. 
If you do have everything in your analysis note on the experimental data and 
also all 
the information on the model in your published paper, you could collect them 
all 
these necessary plots/tables from the different places to show in one place, 
and 
try to convince us your data-model comparison is indeed reasonable or not. 
Best regards, ShinIchi

> On Apr 17, 2021, at 7:06, Niseem via Star-fcv-l <star-fcv-l AT lists.bnl.gov> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi ShinIchi,
> 
> For make it clear the slides I sent some slides to answer some of your 
> points. I'm doing only the 10-30 which I will present in the APS.
> AMPT is published and I sent the 2-papers before.
> 
> 
> Could you overlay 2 or 4 data sets from p19 in one plot (A), 
> and show their relation to p20 in (B), then to p21 in (C), 
> for both data and ampt side-by-side : (A,B,C) 3 plots x 2 case?
> 
> >> this will be found at my slides sent today.
> 
> and for a few centrality cases and a few q2 selections? : 3 plots x (3+3) 
> cases?
> Maybe also for a few pT windows as you did in p12?    : 3 plots x 3 cases?
> And also for a few <Ach> window as you did in p16?   : 3 plots x 3 cases?
> 
> >> I will sent those after the meeting
> 
> And I would also like to see the analysis steps 
> S -> S’ -> S” for both data and ampt                            : 3 plots x 
> 3 cases?
> >> No steps we just scale the x-axis the numbers are provided in my slides 
> >> sent today.
> 
> 
> I hope this help,
> Niseem
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/16/21 12:59 PM, Niseem via Star-fcv-l wrote:
>> Hi ShinIchi,
>> 
>> Thanks for your email!
>> 
>> As you know life is not very start all the time so I do my best to get 
>> some of what you asked for.
>> Please find attached the plots for 10-30 central Au+Au at 200 GeV. This is 
>> related to what I will show at the APS. 
>> When I have more time (since I'm changing house those days) I will send 
>> you more info as you asked.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Niseem
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/16/21 11:23 AM, ShinIchi Esumi via Star-fcv-l wrote:
>>> Dear Niseem
>>> I do not see any of the supporting analysis plots of your results here 
>>> yet that you’ve promised…
>>> Best regards, ShinIchi
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 15, 2021, at 17:21, Niseem via Star-fcv-l 
>>>> <star-fcv-l AT lists.bnl.gov> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> Please find the page for the preliminary-plots at this link,
>>>> https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/blog/niseem/preliminary-plots-quadrupole-charge-separation
>>>> Thanks, Niseem
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> From: Niseem via Star-fcv-l <star-fcv-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Star-fcv-l] STAR presentation by Niseem Magdy Abdelwahab 
>>>> Abdelrahman for APS April Meeting 2021 submitted for review
>>>> Date: April 15, 2021 16:57:15 JST
>>>> To: ShinIchi Esumi via Star-fcv-l <star-fcv-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
>>>> Reply-To: Niseem <niseemmagdy AT yahoo.com>, "STAR Flow, Chirality and 
>>>> Vorticity PWG" <star-fcv-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
>>>> 
>>>> Dear ShinIchi,
>>>> 
>>>> So sorry I did not see this email before. 
>>>> I can do that in fast way for the normal R_2. I will need more time to 
>>>> create all of the requested plots.
>>>> I will work on that now and hope to send you some plots very soon.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Niseem
>>>> 
>>>> On 4/15/21 2:25 AM, ShinIchi Esumi via Star-fcv-l wrote:
>>>>> Dear Niseem
>>>>> I was hoping at least to see some of the answers to my earlier 
>>>>> questions/requests 
>>>>> (attached below) to your pwg presentation last week before approving 
>>>>> your plots as 
>>>>> preliminary for the APS presentation, but I did not see the answers, 
>>>>> maybe I’ve missed?
>>>>> I remember you have mentioned that you would be indicating your 
>>>>> previous presentation 
>>>>> and analysis notes for the possible answers that you could point-out. I 
>>>>> would also think 
>>>>> the step-by-step guidance of your analysis and correction procedures 
>>>>> would also be 
>>>>> appreciated and useful in the conference like APS, since people like to 
>>>>> see what you 
>>>>> really did. 
>>>>> Best regards, ShinIchi
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: ShinIchi Esumi <esumi.shinichi.gn AT u.tsukuba.ac.jp>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Star-fcv-l] FCV PWG meeting on 7/Apr/2021 Wed. 9:30AM at 
>>>>>> BNL
>>>>>> Date: April 8, 2021 1:39:00 JST
>>>>>> To: "STAR Flow, Chirality and Vorticity PWG" <star-fcv-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear Niseem
>>>>>> Thanks for the correct link in the chat window : 
>>>>>> https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/blog/niseem/quadrupole-charge-separation-measurements-auau-collisions-implications-chiral-magnetic-w
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for the plots in our backup slides. 
>>>>>> Could you overlay 2 or 4 data sets from p19 in one plot (A), 
>>>>>> and show their relation to p20 in (B), then to p21 in (C), 
>>>>>> for both data and ampt side-by-side : (A,B,C) 3 plots x 2 case?
>>>>>> and for a few centrality cases and a few q2 selections? : 3 plots x 
>>>>>> (3+3) cases?
>>>>>> Maybe also for a few pT windows as you did in p12? : 3 plots x 3 cases?
>>>>>> And also for a few <Ach> window as you did in p16? : 3 plots x 3 cases?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And I would also like to see the analysis steps 
>>>>>> S -> S’ -> S” for both data and ampt                            : 3 
>>>>>> plots x 3 cases?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sorry to ask you too much, though. 
>>>>>> I would like to see these plots in order to understand the analysis 
>>>>>> better, 
>>>>>> which could also be helpful (or even used) for your APS/DNP talk? 
>>>>>> Best regards, ShinIchi
>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 4/15/21 3:05 AM, Niseem via Star-fcv-l wrote:
>>>>> Hi Prithwish,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for your nice comments, please find my updated slides at the 
>>>>> same link
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/presentations/aps-april-meeting-2021/characterization-quadrupole-charge-separation-200-gev-implicati
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> >>slide#7 Mention how centrality was done.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I did not understand what you mean do i need to say that we do 
>>>>> centrality by cutting on multiplicity?
>>>>> 
>>>>> For the AMPT data I'm using the a published plots which i added 
>>>>> reference to it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Niseem
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 4/13/21 4:01 PM, Prithwish Tribedy via Star-fcv-l wrote:
>>>>>> Hello Niseem,
>>>>>>   The slides look good. I have a few comments -- with these included I 
>>>>>> sign off.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Since you have new preliminary results please follow the STAR policy 
>>>>>> of making a page (if you haven't done so yet). Regarding the model 
>>>>>> plots, I would also request you to make the AMPT data available on RCF 
>>>>>> somewhere.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> General comments:
>>>>>> 1. I think we need to make a point that this analysis is promising and 
>>>>>> still in the exploratory phase as we need more time to explore the 
>>>>>> sensitivity to different background scenarios. Maybe some help from 
>>>>>> the theorists would be welcome. Also, isobar data may help to 
>>>>>> establish the efficacy of the observable. It would be great if you can 
>>>>>> add a few comments along these lines.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2. Please make sure not only every plot but each panel has a label 
>>>>>> saying either "STAR Preliminary" or "AMPT".
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 3. Put more details about the AMPT model on the slides. In particular, 
>>>>>> the version, link to publications wherever applicable.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Specific comments on the slides:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> slide#4: "Prior/ongoing" --> "Prior"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  "make more discerning" --> "make a discerning"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> slide#6: You need to define what "f" (or "f_q") is.
>>>>>> What is the value of "f" on lower right plot ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> slide#7 "Run-11 data" --> "data from year 2011"
>>>>>> Mention how centrality was done.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> slide #8:
>>>>>> "The correlator response in " --> "The correlator response to" (this 
>>>>>> sounds better)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> slide#9: Put the centrality for AMPT on this plot.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Slide#10:
>>>>>> Somewhere on this slide you need to put a quantitative statement. How 
>>>>>> about:
>>>>>> "Variation of q_2 leading to ~30% variation of v_2 in 10-30% 
>>>>>> centrality does not lead to any significant variation of R_{Ψ2}" ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Slide#11:
>>>>>> Left plot inset requires more labels for x and y axes.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Slide#12:
>>>>>> This is the best place to put the comment on the exploratory nature of 
>>>>>> this study and add that more model  studies on sensitivity to 
>>>>>> background underway after the last bullet.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Prithwish
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2021-04-10 15:53, webmaster--- via Star-fcv-l wrote:
>>>>>>> Dear star-fcv-l AT lists.bnl.gov members,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Niseem Magdy Abdelwahab Abdelrahman (niseemmagdy AT yahoo.com) has 
>>>>>>> submitted a
>>>>>>> material for a review, please have a look:
>>>>>>> https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/node/54618
>>>>>>> 
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