STAR Flow, Chirality and Vorticity PWG

[Niseem <niseemmagdy AT yahoo.com>]

Dear ShinIchi,

As I stated early the AMPT work is published anyone can use it as it's 
from the paper. If you want I can remake Fig.1 to separate the data from 
the AMPT.
 With that being stated, I expanded my slides to include step-by-step 
plots from AMPT as well as the scaling factors. I hope this good for the 
time.

It's okay to ask we all want to understand the physics in a good way :)
See the updated file attached.

Niseem


On 4/16/21 6:44 PM, ShinIchi Esumi via Star-fcv-l wrote:
> Dear Niseem
> I understood your situation, one can do limited things in a limited time.
> Since you are comparing your data with the AMPT to argue about physics
> implication, therefore I would still like to see them (data and model) side 
> by side
> in each step of your analysis, especially you say “S -> S’ -> S” is just the 
> scaling
> on R, which is done separately between them, so I would guess the scaling 
> factors
> are different between them, so the scaling would directly impact on your 
> comparison.
> If you do have everything in your analysis note on the experimental data and 
> also all
> the information on the model in your published paper, you could collect them 
> all
> these necessary plots/tables from the different places to show in one place, 
> and
> try to convince us your data-model comparison is indeed reasonable or not.
> Best regards, ShinIchi
>
> > On Apr 17, 2021, at 7:06, Niseem via Star-fcv-l <star-fcv-l AT lists.bnl.gov> 
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi ShinIchi,
> >
> > For make it clear the slides I sent some slides to answer some of your 
> > points. I'm doing only the 10-30 which I will present in the APS.
> > AMPT is published and I sent the 2-papers before.
> >
> >
> > Could you overlay 2 or 4 data sets from p19 in one plot (A),
> > and show their relation to p20 in (B), then to p21 in (C),
> > for both data and ampt side-by-side : (A,B,C) 3 plots x 2 case?
> >
> > > > this will be found at my slides sent today.
> > and for a few centrality cases and a few q2 selections? : 3 plots x (3+3) 
> > cases?
> > Maybe also for a few pT windows as you did in p12?    : 3 plots x 3 cases?
> > And also for a few <Ach> window as you did in p16?   : 3 plots x 3 cases?
> >
> > > > I will sent those after the meeting
> > And I would also like to see the analysis steps
> > S -> S’ -> S” for both data and ampt                            : 3 plots x 3 
> > cases?
> > > > No steps we just scale the x-axis the numbers are provided in my slides sent 
> > > > today.
> >
> > I hope this help,
> > Niseem
> >
> >
> >
> > On 4/16/21 12:59 PM, Niseem via Star-fcv-l wrote:
> > > Hi ShinIchi,
> > >
> > > Thanks for your email!
> > >
> > > As you know life is not very start all the time so I do my best to get some 
> > > of what you asked for.
> > > Please find attached the plots for 10-30 central Au+Au at 200 GeV. This is 
> > > related to what I will show at the APS.
> > > When I have more time (since I'm changing house those days) I will send you 
> > > more info as you asked.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Niseem
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/16/21 11:23 AM, ShinIchi Esumi via Star-fcv-l wrote:
> > > > Dear Niseem
> > > > I do not see any of the supporting analysis plots of your results here yet 
> > > > that you’ve promised…
> > > > Best regards, ShinIchi
> > > >
> > > > > On Apr 15, 2021, at 17:21, Niseem via Star-fcv-l <star-fcv-l AT lists.bnl.gov> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > Please find the page for the preliminary-plots at this link,
> > > > > https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/blog/niseem/preliminary-plots-quadrupole-charge-separation
> > > > > Thanks, Niseem
> > > >
> > > > > From: Niseem via Star-fcv-l <star-fcv-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Star-fcv-l] STAR presentation by Niseem Magdy Abdelwahab 
> > > > > Abdelrahman for APS April Meeting 2021 submitted for review
> > > > > Date: April 15, 2021 16:57:15 JST
> > > > > To: ShinIchi Esumi via Star-fcv-l <star-fcv-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
> > > > > Reply-To: Niseem <niseemmagdy AT yahoo.com>, "STAR Flow, Chirality and Vorticity PWG" 
> > > > > <star-fcv-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear ShinIchi,
> > > > >
> > > > > So sorry I did not see this email before.
> > > > > I can do that in fast way for the normal R_2. I will need more time to create 
> > > > > all of the requested plots.
> > > > > I will work on that now and hope to send you some plots very soon.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Niseem
> > > > >
> > > > > On 4/15/21 2:25 AM, ShinIchi Esumi via Star-fcv-l wrote:
> > > > > > Dear Niseem
> > > > > > I was hoping at least to see some of the answers to my earlier 
> > > > > > questions/requests
> > > > > > (attached below) to your pwg presentation last week before approving your 
> > > > > > plots as
> > > > > > preliminary for the APS presentation, but I did not see the answers, maybe 
> > > > > > I’ve missed?
> > > > > > I remember you have mentioned that you would be indicating your previous 
> > > > > > presentation
> > > > > > and analysis notes for the possible answers that you could point-out. I would 
> > > > > > also think
> > > > > > the step-by-step guidance of your analysis and correction procedures would 
> > > > > > also be
> > > > > > appreciated and useful in the conference like APS, since people like to see 
> > > > > > what you
> > > > > > really did.
> > > > > > Best regards, ShinIchi
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: ShinIchi Esumi <esumi.shinichi.gn AT u.tsukuba.ac.jp>
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Star-fcv-l] FCV PWG meeting on 7/Apr/2021 Wed. 9:30AM at BNL
> > > > > > > Date: April 8, 2021 1:39:00 JST
> > > > > > > To: "STAR Flow, Chirality and Vorticity PWG" <star-fcv-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Niseem
> > > > > > > Thanks for the correct link in the chat window :
> > > > > > > https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/blog/niseem/quadrupole-charge-separation-measurements-auau-collisions-implications-chiral-magnetic-w
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for the plots in our backup slides.
> > > > > > > Could you overlay 2 or 4 data sets from p19 in one plot (A),
> > > > > > > and show their relation to p20 in (B), then to p21 in (C),
> > > > > > > for both data and ampt side-by-side : (A,B,C) 3 plots x 2 case?
> > > > > > > and for a few centrality cases and a few q2 selections? : 3 plots x (3+3) 
> > > > > > > cases?
> > > > > > > Maybe also for a few pT windows as you did in p12? : 3 plots x 3 cases?
> > > > > > > And also for a few <Ach> window as you did in p16? : 3 plots x 3 cases?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And I would also like to see the analysis steps
> > > > > > > S -> S’ -> S” for both data and ampt                            : 3 plots x 3 
> > > > > > > cases?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sorry to ask you too much, though.
> > > > > > > I would like to see these plots in order to understand the analysis better,
> > > > > > > which could also be helpful (or even used) for your APS/DNP talk?
> > > > > > > Best regards, ShinIchi
> > > > > On 4/15/21 3:05 AM, Niseem via Star-fcv-l wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Prithwish,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for your nice comments, please find my updated slides at the same link
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/presentations/aps-april-meeting-2021/characterization-quadrupole-charge-separation-200-gev-implicati
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > slide#7 Mention how centrality was done.
> > > > > > I did not understand what you mean do i need to say that we do centrality by 
> > > > > > cutting on multiplicity?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For the AMPT data I'm using the a published plots which i added reference to 
> > > > > > it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Niseem
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 4/13/21 4:01 PM, Prithwish Tribedy via Star-fcv-l wrote:
> > > > > > > Hello Niseem,
> > > > > > >    The slides look good. I have a few comments -- with these included I sign 
> > > > > > > off.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Since you have new preliminary results please follow the STAR policy of 
> > > > > > > making a page (if you haven't done so yet). Regarding the model plots, I 
> > > > > > > would also request you to make the AMPT data available on RCF somewhere.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > General comments:
> > > > > > > 1. I think we need to make a point that this analysis is promising and still 
> > > > > > > in the exploratory phase as we need more time to explore the sensitivity to 
> > > > > > > different background scenarios. Maybe some help from the theorists would be 
> > > > > > > welcome. Also, isobar data may help to establish the efficacy of the 
> > > > > > > observable. It would be great if you can add a few comments along these lines.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2. Please make sure not only every plot but each panel has a label saying either "STAR 
> > > > > > > Preliminary" or "AMPT".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3. Put more details about the AMPT model on the slides. In particular, the 
> > > > > > > version, link to publications wherever applicable.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Specific comments on the slides:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > slide#4: "Prior/ongoing" --> "Prior"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   "make more discerning" --> "make a discerning"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > slide#6: You need to define what "f" (or "f_q") is.
> > > > > > > What is the value of "f" on lower right plot ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > slide#7 "Run-11 data" --> "data from year 2011"
> > > > > > > Mention how centrality was done.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > slide #8:
> > > > > > > "The correlator response in " --> "The correlator response to" (this sounds 
> > > > > > > better)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > slide#9: Put the centrality for AMPT on this plot.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Slide#10:
> > > > > > > Somewhere on this slide you need to put a quantitative statement. How about:
> > > > > > > "Variation of q_2 leading to ~30% variation of v_2 in 10-30% centrality does not 
> > > > > > > lead to any significant variation of R_{Ψ2}" ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Slide#11:
> > > > > > > Left plot inset requires more labels for x and y axes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Slide#12:
> > > > > > > This is the best place to put the comment on the exploratory nature of this 
> > > > > > > study and add that more model  studies on sensitivity to background underway 
> > > > > > > after the last bullet.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > Prithwish
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 2021-04-10 15:53, webmaster--- via Star-fcv-l wrote:
> > > > > > > > Dear star-fcv-l AT lists.bnl.gov members,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Niseem Magdy Abdelwahab Abdelrahman (niseemmagdy AT yahoo.com) has submitted a
> > > > > > > > material for a review, please have a look:
> > > > > > > > https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/node/54618
> > > > > > > >
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