STAR Flow, Chirality and Vorticity PWG

[zhchen <zhchen AT rcf.rhic.bnl.gov>]

Dear all,

From our side we are reluctant to merge, but we could accept the merge 
if it is really needed.
We do see there is some connection through longitudinal dynamics, 
although not that strong.
I feel OK if the results are put into the same category in a longer 
summary talk, but a 15 min parallel talk is less appropriate.
I might be overthinking, but the following is my main concern for the 
merge.
None of the observables are trivial and well-known, in order to deliver 
the message, the speaker needs to spend more than half of the time to 
explain the observables.
This could force whoever is the speaker to drop the other results to 
make room for his own, then the well-intended merging is going to harm 
the authors.
The other way is to rush through all the results and let the huge flux 
of information to stun the audience  .
Neither way is good for the speaker or audience.

I have to say again that setting a hard limit on the number of abstract 
is bizarre. What if we have 15 nobel prize results but can only submit 
10 abstracts?
To me, it is natural to merge same observables for different particle, 
collision system, energy, or well-known observables with the same 
specific physics topic like HF RAA and v2.
The abstracts do not merge naturally we could let them compete.

We understand conveners' good intension for the merge and it is well 
received by us. We are open for discussion.

Cheers,
Zhenyu


在 2021-11-18 00:38，ShinIchi Esumi via Star-fcv-l 写道：
> Dear Gaoguo and Niseem
> We did not hear you back on the merging of your two abstracts. If you 
> agree,
> please discuss between you and go ahead to make a merged/combined 
> abstract
> for a combined “strong” talk as mentioned earlier. Or please propose 
> separate
> abstracts for two posters.
> Best regards, Jiangyong, Prithwish and ShinIchi
>
> > Dear Zhenyu and Niseem
> > Our intention was to make it more attractive to get accepted as a 
> > talk, rather
> > than two single abstracts, which do have some relations in terms of 
> > the longitudinal
> > dynamics, so we hoped you two could think more about in that 
> > direction. However
> > if both of you do not intend to do this, we also need to discuss with 
> > other submissions,
> > and/or we might need to drop one or both of them to be submitted as 
> > poster...
> > Best regards, ShinIchi
>
> > On Nov 11, 2021, at 23:46, Jiangyong Jia via Star-fcv-l 
> > <star-fcv-l AT lists.bnl.gov> wrote:
> >
> >
> > One possibility could be emphasize we use flow/hydro to probe the 
> > longitudinal structure of initial state and transport properties of 
> > the final state and their energy dependences. This would be able to 
> > bring the two together.
> >
> > Jiangyong
> >
> > On 11/10/21 9:56 PM, zhchen via Star-fcv-l wrote:
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > I am not strongly against the merging of Gaoguo and Niseeem's 
> > > abstracts, but I do have the concern the talk will be too dense.
> > > After considering the man-power, data readiness and time left until 
> > > QM, we propose to extend Gaoguo's abstract to cover 19.6 and 14.5 GeV 
> > > Au+Au decorrelation. So it will be stronger to stand itself.
> > > The new abstract is at 
> > > https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/QM22_DeCorr_Energy_Size.pdf
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Zhenyu
> > >
> > > 在 2021-11-11 03:13，Niseem Magdy via Star-fcv-l 写道：
> > > > Dear Jiangyong and All,
> > > >
> > > > I think the two abstracts (talk-9) are totally different. Merging 
> > > > them
> > > > not be effective and will not send a clear message.
> > > > I think that my abstract can stand by itself since it contains
> > > > 2-projects across different energies.
> > > >
> > > > Therefore, I do not agree with the merging.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Niseem
> >
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