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Re: [Star-fcv-l] Notes for PWGC preview (04/29/2022): Observation of the electromagnetic effect via charge-dependent directed flow in Au+Au, Ru+Ru and Zr+Zr collisions at sNN = 200 GeV
- From: dshen <dshen AT rcf.rhic.bnl.gov>
- To: Rongrong Ma <marr AT rcf.rhic.bnl.gov>, "STAR Flow, Chirality and Vorticity PWG" <star-fcv-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
- Subject: Re: [Star-fcv-l] Notes for PWGC preview (04/29/2022): Observation of the electromagnetic effect via charge-dependent directed flow in Au+Au, Ru+Ru and Zr+Zr collisions at sNN = 200 GeV
- Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 20:43:17 +0800
Hi Rongrong,
Thanks for this reminder, we will review it and make sure it will not affect the results.
For your question, We did check the difference between Zr and Ru, you can find the plot on page 58 of the analysis note.
The signal in Ru+Ru seems larger than that in Zr+Zr, but unfortunately we only have 1 sigma with current statistics.
That's why we combined Zr&Ru.
Thanks,
Diyu
On 2022-04-30 05:14, Rongrong Ma via Star-fcv-l wrote:
Hello Diyu
Thanks for the nice preview presentation.
I was reminded that the m2 distributions for proton and anti-proton
are probably not well aligned for these data sets, which could result
in different m2 cut efficiencies if you use the same cut for them. I
do not think this will affect your results, but think it is worth
bringing to your attention.
One question I forgot to ask during the preview: have you checked the
difference between Ru+Ru and Zr+Zr in terms of v1 slope difference?
They should have very similar medium conductivity, transport quark,
etc, but different EM fields. Do our data have the precision to see
this difference?
Thanks
Best
Rongrong
On Apr 29, 2022, at 4:23 PM, Rongrong Ma via Star-fcv-lhttps://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/blog/dshen/observation-charge-dependent-flow-and-its-implication-electron-magnetic-field-auau-200gev
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Date: 04/29/2022
Participants: Diyu Shen, Aihong Tang, Dhananjaya Thakur, Jinhui
Chen, Jiangyong Jia, Barbara Trzeciak, Hanna Zbroszczyk, Mattew
Posik, Prithwish Tribedy, Raghav Kunnawalkam Elayavalli, Subhash
Singha, Xiaofeng Luo, Yi Yang
Title: Observation of the electromagnetic effect via
charge-dependent directed flow in Au+Au, Ru+Ru and Zr+Zr collisions
at sNN = 200 GeV
PAs: Jinhui Chen, Aditya Prasad Dash, YuGang Ma, Diyu Shen, Subhash
Singha, Aihong Tang, Dhananjaya Thakur, Gang Wang
Target journal: PRX
Proposal page:
Presentation:_______________________________________________
https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/PWGC_0.pdf
The PWGC panel previewed a paper proposal from FCV PWG. The panel
found that the analysis is mature and should move forward. In terms
of the target journal, most of the conveners, unfortunately, do not
have much experience with it since PRX is a relatively new journal.
So we suggest to leave it to PAs, PWG and GPC to decide.
(C - Comment, Q - Question, A - Answer)
Fig. 2
C: the sign of the v1 slope difference between positive and negative
particles illustrated in this figure is opposite to the analysis.
Would be good to make it consistent.
A: will do.
Fig. 3
Q: how serious should one treat the trends of these curves?
A: these curves are mainly meant for illustration of the sign of v1
slope difference for transported quarks and EM-field effect. The
curve for transported quark is based on UrQMD calculation, while the
curve for EM-field is also based on theoretical model.
Q: if the transport quark effect is based on UrQMD, why is its
dependence on centrality (decreasing) different from what's shown in
Fig. 7 (increasing)?
A: this curve is indeed based on UrQMD but for 11 GeV, while Fig. 7
is for 200 GeV. Will make it consistent to avoid confusions.
Fig. 7
Q: why is IEBE-VISHNU + EM-field calculation negative in all
centrality bins?
A: this is because this calculation only considers EM-field effect,
no transported quarks.
Q: is there a model which incorporates both transport quarks and
EM-field effect so it can be compared to data?
A: we are not aware of such calculation at the moment
Q: can we say anything about EM-field effect in semi-central
collisions?
A: that is difficult because we do not know how large the transport
quark effect is. We do not have any theoretical guidance.
Q: is there anything additional we can learn from the Isobar data?
how should one compare the Au+Au and Isobar results?
A: the Isobar data confirm the negative v1 slope for proton and
anti-proton seen in peripheral events. It does not add much physics,
but could be useful for constraining theoretical calculations.
Comparing Au+Au and Isobar results is difficult as many other
aspects (system size, conductivity of the medium, transport quark
contribution) are different in addition to the magnetic field
difference.
Q: can one compare Au+Au and Isobar at similar Npart values to take
out system size difference?
A: we can, but still the medium conductivity and transport quark
contribution could be different.
Conclusion
Q: how do we understand the behavior for pions and kaons, what are
different from protons?
A: pions are dominated by resonance decays, so one does not expect
EM-field induced v1 slope splitting. Kaons contain strange quarks,
and there are other v1 measurements of strange quarks indicating
positive v1 splitting. We will work on expanding on these details,
but this does not affect the physics message of this paper, which is
mainly based on protons.
Q: can we really say that the negative values in peripheral events
can only be explained by EM field?
A: we can tune down this statement.
C: if one can somehow compare the results from Au+Au and Isobar
which have different EM field, this could potentially strength the
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[Star-fcv-l] Notes for PWGC preview (04/29/2022): Observation of the electromagnetic effect via charge-dependent directed flow in Au+Au, Ru+Ru and Zr+Zr collisions at sNN = 200 GeV,
Rongrong Ma, 04/29/2022
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Re: [Star-fcv-l] Notes for PWGC preview (04/29/2022): Observation of the electromagnetic effect via charge-dependent directed flow in Au+Au, Ru+Ru and Zr+Zr collisions at sNN = 200 GeV,
Rongrong Ma, 04/29/2022
- Re: [Star-fcv-l] Notes for PWGC preview (04/29/2022): Observation of the electromagnetic effect via charge-dependent directed flow in Au+Au, Ru+Ru and Zr+Zr collisions at sNN = 200 GeV, dshen, 04/30/2022
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Re: [Star-fcv-l] Notes for PWGC preview (04/29/2022): Observation of the electromagnetic effect via charge-dependent directed flow in Au+Au, Ru+Ru and Zr+Zr collisions at sNN = 200 GeV,
Rongrong Ma, 04/29/2022
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