STAR Flow, Chirality and Vorticity PWG

["Wang, Fuqiang" <fqwang AT purdue.edu>]

Hi Prithwish,

I hold a completely opposite opinion. You want the isobar plot intact. You 
make new plots for any further new developments. We should not attach onto 
the isobar plot with more and more derivatives.

Best regards,
Fuqiang

> On Sep 1, 2023, at 5:05 PM, Prithwish Tribedy <ptribedy AT rcf.rhic.bnl.gov> 
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> Hi Fuqiang,
> A separate plot does not help us. The isobar forced match part of the
> plot is out-of-context without the left part on the same plot. It is the
> comparison with and without the forced-matching that gives the impact to
> this new analysis.
>
> If people only show the right panel separately on their slides it will
> be not useful. There danger of loosing the impact of our new results.
>
> Best,
> Prithwish
>
>
>
>> On 2023-09-01 15:36, Wang, Fuqiang wrote:
>> Dear Prithwish,
>>
>> I disagree for the reasons I already said. I believe the two panel
>> format best achieves what we want to convey. The left panel is a
>> direct copy of the public paper. If people want to make a merged
>> figure, they are free to do that.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Fuqiang
>>
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>> From: Prithwish Tribedy <ptribedy AT rcf.rhic.bnl.gov>
>> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 4:17 PM
>> To: STAR Flow, Chirality and Vorticity PWG <star-fcv-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
>> Cc: Wang, Fuqiang <fqwang AT purdue.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [Star-fcv-l] STAR presentation by Yicheng Feng for Quark
>> Matter 2023 submitted for review
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>> Dear Fuqiang and Yicheng,
>>
>> I appreciate your feedback, but I think these points are more relevant
>> for CME experts like us than for the general audience.  Most of the
>> non-experts prefer to see the post-blind isobar efforts in a compact
>> plot. I am afraid that if we put a small panel next to a big one,
>> people
>> may ignore it or forget about it. This would not be good for us as
>> STAR,
>> as we want to highlight our achievements.
>>
>> The x-axis of the plot is designed to accommodate different
>> observables
>> by construction, so they do not have to be exactly the same. I think
>> this is a reasonable choice and does not affect the validity of the
>> comparison.
>>
>> During the rehearsal, we indeed agreed to put a proper label on the
>> forced match part, not to remove it. We can also add a vertical dashed
>> line saying forced match. I think this is a good compromise and would
>> avoid any confusion or misunderstanding.
>>
>> Best,
>> Prithwish
>>
>>> On 2023-09-01 09:19, Wang, Fuqiang via Star-fcv-l wrote:
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> I asked Yicheng to split the summary plot on slide 18 because of the
>>> following considerations.
>>>
>>>      * The Ru+Ru/Zr+Zr ratio and the (weighted Ru+Ru)/Zr+Zr ratio
>> are two
>>> different quantities. Plotting them together in a single frame could
>>> cause confusion. Separate panels make this clear.
>>>
>>>      * The left panel is simply taken from the money plot in the
>> submitted
>>> paper except the added reference. “STAR preliminary” is removed.
>>> The right panel of the forced match results is labeled STAR
>>> preliminary. This distinction is clean with split panels.
>>>
>>>      * As you see, the left panel plot is intentionally kept as
>> same as
>>> possible to the isobar blind analysis paper money plot. All the
>> other
>>> variables like the kappa, R etc. are retained even though they are
>>> irrelevant to the new paper. This was strongly urged by our GPC and
>> we
>>> believe will serve us well in the long run.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Fuqiang
>>>
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>>>
>>> From: Star-fcv-l <star-fcv-l-bounces AT lists.bnl.gov> on behalf of
>> Feng,
>>> Yicheng via Star-fcv-l <star-fcv-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
>>> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 1:15 AM
>>> To: star-fcv-l AT lists.bnl.gov <star-fcv-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
>>> Cc: Feng, Yicheng <feng216 AT purdue.edu>
>>> Subject: Re: [Star-fcv-l] STAR presentation by Yicheng Feng for
>> Quark
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>>> Hi FCV,
>>>
>>> I have got comments from the rehearsal in the pre-QM on Wednesday.
>>>
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>>> I tried to reply to those comments (see the online docs) and
>> modified
>>> the slides accordingly.
>>> The modified slides have been uploaded to the same drupal node:
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>> https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/node/64798
>> [2]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/QM2023_IsobarCmeBkg_v16.pdf
>> [3]
>>>
>>> BTW, the arXiv number of our short paper for CME isobar baseline
>> has
>>> been added.
>>>
>>> If you have any further comments, please let me know.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Yicheng
>>>
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