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Re: [Star-fcv-l] FCV PWG meeting on 20/Sept/2023 Wed. 9:30 AM EDT
- From: Sooraj Radhakrishnan <skradhakrishnan AT lbl.gov>
- To: "STAR Flow, Chirality and Vorticity PWG" <star-fcv-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
- Subject: Re: [Star-fcv-l] FCV PWG meeting on 20/Sept/2023 Wed. 9:30 AM EDT
- Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2023 11:18:43 -0700
Hi Qian,
Thanks for following up on the questions from the PWG meeting. On your S3 here, for your sum in pT case, do you have one with the same pT range as the integral results? 0.3 - 6.0 GeV/c? Want to know how much is the discrepancy from summing up the bins. If this is, as you said, from some uncorrected bias when the statistics is low, could this be a missing systematic in your yield extraction? What systematic uncertainties do you take into account in yield extraction and how are they propagated to rho_00?
Sooraj
On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 6:49 PM subhash via Star-fcv-l <star-fcv-l AT lists.bnl.gov> wrote:
Thanks Qian for clarification. This one looks fine.
On 2023-09-22 06:53 AM, tc88qy wrote:
> Hi Subhash
>
> That plots may be misleading. In side 15, the rho_00 has also be
> corrected for event-plane resolution.
> I update a plot with both rho_00^obs and rho_00 in this link. Please
> check.
> https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/Cent_0_80_pT_3_60.gif
>
> Qian Yang
>
> On 2023-09-21 23:12, subhash wrote:
>> Dear Qian,
>>
>> Can you point me to an example of such case. In your slides rho_00^obs
>> and resolution corrected seems the same ie is 0.2736 ± 0.01524 for
>> 0-80%.
>> I am looking here side 15 (left figure) and 16 (blue data point):
>> https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/jpsiSpinAlignment_20230914.pdf
>>
>> Thanks and regards,
>> Subhash
>>
>> On 2023-09-21 10:31 PM, tc88qy wrote:
>>> Hello Subhash,
>>>
>>> Yes, the event plane resolution correction has been propagated to
>>> both
>>> the central value of rho_00 and its errors.
>>> The rho_00 shown in the slides are already corrected for event-plane
>>> resolution.
>>> If it is rho_00^{obs} value in plots, I will write it as
>>> rho_00^{obs}.
>>>
>>>
>>> Qian Yang
>>>
>>> On 2023-09-21 20:11, subhash wrote:
>>>> Dear Qian,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your response. I have one more comment that I think I
>>>> missed during yesterday's discussion. Do you propagate errors on
>>>> rho_00 when you apply event plane resolution correction. The
>>>> resolution correction will amplify the deviation from 1/3, but will
>>>> also enlarge your statistical error bar. Looking at the values of
>>>> rho_00^obs and rho_00^resol-corrected in figures, it seems to me
>>>> that
>>>> error propagation is not considered. Am I correct, can you please
>>>> confirm?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks and regards,
>>>> Subhash
>>>>
>>>> On 2023-09-21 06:09 PM, tc88qy wrote:
>>>>> Hi Subhash
>>>>> Please find my reply inline.
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Qian Yang
>>>>> On 2023-09-21 17:56, subhash wrote:
>>>>>> Dear Qian,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for this study. I have a few follow up comments:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. My understanding is "directly from data(Red)" is over a wider
>>>>>> pt-range and "sum over (Magenta)" is statistical weighted average
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> rho_00 vs pt, right? If the low and high pt range is same for red
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> magenta points, eg 0.3 - 6 GeV/c, then I am fine with either
>>>>>> red/magenta points to be shown.
>>>>> Right, the red data came from a wider pt-range, and sum over is
>>>>> statistical weighted average from rho_00 vs pt.
>>>>> It is the same pT range of 0.3-6 GeV/c for both case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. On your event plane, do you have any weighting factor in
>>>>>> reconstructing Q-vectors, e.g. a pt weight.
>>>>> Yes, there is a pt weight
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. BTW, in your analysis do you have any opening angle selection?
>>>>>> Why
>>>>>> I am asking is that we have seen such a cut can artificially
>>>>>> enhance
>>>>>> the signal and one has to be careful in simulation when correcting
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> such effect.
>>>>> We did not apply any opening angle selection in the analysis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks and regards,
>>>>>> Subhash
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2023-09-21 02:46 PM, tc88qy via Star-fcv-l wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>>> I did some study in terms of the comments I got from yesterdays
>>>>>>> fav
>>>>>>> pwg meeting. Two things are request to be check.
>>>>>>> One is the rho_00 consistence check of summing over rho_00 in
>>>>>>> pT/centrality vs the rho_00 extracted directly from data.
>>>>>>> The conclusion is that the centrality dependence is safe. By
>>>>>>> summing
>>>>>>> over in centrality, it gives a consistent results. But summing
>>>>>>> over pT
>>>>>>> do give some discrepancy which mainly due to 0.3-6 and 3-4 GeV/c
>>>>>>> range. For p_{T} dependence we may need some more to study after
>>>>>>> SPIN2023.
>>>>>>> The other one is the event plane resolution. In the slides I
>>>>>>> mentioned
>>>>>>> |eta|< 0.5, but actually I use |eta|<1 in the analysis.
>>>>>>> I listed my cuts and event plane resolution, Subhash’s result as
>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>> as STAR blind analysis's result in the slides. It is more or less
>>>>>>> consistent with each other.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please look more details in this link.
>>>>>>> https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/jpsiSpinAlignment_20230920.pdf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Qian Yang
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2023-09-18 21:40, tc88qy via Star-fcv-l wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello Subhash and all
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I want to give an update on J/psi spin alignment study in
>>>>>>>> isobar
>>>>>>>> data. This update has been shown in last week's HP-PWG meeting.
>>>>>>>> Please
>>>>>>>> find slides in this link:
>>>>>>>> https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/jpsiSpinAlignment_20230914.pdf
>>>>>>>> I also got some comments from HP meeting. I did some study
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> prepared few slides after HP-PWG meeting, you can find it in
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> link:
>>>>>>>> https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/jpsiSpinAlignment_20230917.pdf
>>>>>>>> If it is all ok, I want request preliminary for this study
>>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>>> coming SPIN2023 meeting which is next week.
>>>>>>>> The preliminary request has been sent to HP mail list. You
>>>>>>>> can find
>>>>>>>> the slides in this link:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/Preliminary_figures_request_1.pdf
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Qian Yang
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-18 18:26, subhash via Star-fcv-l wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We shall have our weekly FCV PWG meeting this Wednesday
>>>>>>>>> (20/Sept/2023)
>>>>>>>>> at 9:30 AM EDT. If you would like to present please let us
>>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>> Please try posting your slides by Tuesday. The agenda will be
>>>>>>>>> collected at:
>>>>>>>>> https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/blog/jjiastar/bulkcorr
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
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[Star-fcv-l] FCV PWG meeting on 20/Sept/2023 Wed. 9:30 AM EDT,
subhash, 09/18/2023
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Re: [Star-fcv-l] FCV PWG meeting on 20/Sept/2023 Wed. 9:30 AM EDT,
tc88qy, 09/18/2023
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Re: [Star-fcv-l] FCV PWG meeting on 20/Sept/2023 Wed. 9:30 AM EDT,
tc88qy, 09/21/2023
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Re: [Star-fcv-l] FCV PWG meeting on 20/Sept/2023 Wed. 9:30 AM EDT,
subhash, 09/21/2023
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Re: [Star-fcv-l] FCV PWG meeting on 20/Sept/2023 Wed. 9:30 AM EDT,
tc88qy, 09/21/2023
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Re: [Star-fcv-l] FCV PWG meeting on 20/Sept/2023 Wed. 9:30 AM EDT,
subhash, 09/21/2023
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Re: [Star-fcv-l] FCV PWG meeting on 20/Sept/2023 Wed. 9:30 AM EDT,
tc88qy, 09/21/2023
- Re: [Star-fcv-l] FCV PWG meeting on 20/Sept/2023 Wed. 9:30 AM EDT, subhash, 09/21/2023
- Re: [Star-fcv-l] FCV PWG meeting on 20/Sept/2023 Wed. 9:30 AM EDT, tc88qy, 09/21/2023
- Re: [Star-fcv-l] FCV PWG meeting on 20/Sept/2023 Wed. 9:30 AM EDT, subhash, 09/21/2023
- Re: [Star-fcv-l] FCV PWG meeting on 20/Sept/2023 Wed. 9:30 AM EDT, Sooraj Radhakrishnan, 09/22/2023
- Re: [Star-fcv-l] FCV PWG meeting on 20/Sept/2023 Wed. 9:30 AM EDT, Sooraj Radhakrishnan, 09/22/2023
- Re: [Star-fcv-l] FCV PWG meeting on 20/Sept/2023 Wed. 9:30 AM EDT, tc88qy, 09/22/2023
- Re: [Star-fcv-l] FCV PWG meeting on 20/Sept/2023 Wed. 9:30 AM EDT, Sooraj Radhakrishnan, 09/23/2023
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Re: [Star-fcv-l] FCV PWG meeting on 20/Sept/2023 Wed. 9:30 AM EDT,
tc88qy, 09/21/2023
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Re: [Star-fcv-l] FCV PWG meeting on 20/Sept/2023 Wed. 9:30 AM EDT,
subhash, 09/21/2023
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Re: [Star-fcv-l] FCV PWG meeting on 20/Sept/2023 Wed. 9:30 AM EDT,
tc88qy, 09/21/2023
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Re: [Star-fcv-l] FCV PWG meeting on 20/Sept/2023 Wed. 9:30 AM EDT,
subhash, 09/21/2023
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Re: [Star-fcv-l] FCV PWG meeting on 20/Sept/2023 Wed. 9:30 AM EDT,
tc88qy, 09/21/2023
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Re: [Star-fcv-l] FCV PWG meeting on 20/Sept/2023 Wed. 9:30 AM EDT,
tc88qy, 09/18/2023
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Re: [Star-fcv-l] FCV PWG meeting on 20/Sept/2023 Wed. 9:30 AM EDT,
Gavin Wilks, 09/19/2023
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