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  • From: Jiangyong Jia <jiangyong.jia AT stonybrook.edu>
  • To: star-fcv-l AT lists.bnl.gov
  • Subject: Re: [Star-fcv-l] today's PWG discussion on nonflow in U/Au paper
  • Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 20:03:45 -0500

Hi, Sergei,

From your plot, you should focus on low pT region at 0.5 GeV (the first data point) with is the mean pT for particles we are using, it is not 30%.

But again, non-flow is a physical correlation that is only well defined in low multiplicity event. The correlation shape in eta and phi at low pT is nothing like jet fragmentation in AA collisions due to jet quenching.

The 70-80% centrality signal is not all non-flow as shown in the small system flow paper.

Cheers,
Jiangyong

On 1/25/24 7:44 PM, Sergei Voloshin via Star-fcv-l wrote:
Hi all,

I would agree with Fuqiang's estimate. (In terms of v^2) the nonlfow in central collision is likely around 30%. Look at the right plot in


With eta-subevents the nonflow contribution can be probably reduced, but I doubt it can be suppressed by a large factor.

A couple other comments
- I disagree that "quenching and thermalization" would reduce non-flow. As I mentioned I would probably expect a slight increase, but again this has to be studied. Without any real confirmation of either effect, we should probably preat it as unmodified. 

- Most real flow in the most peripheral ( and for sure any _real_ flow in pp) would play a role of nonflow in AA, as the "event planes" individual NN collisions are uncorrelated with the participant plane in AA.
regards, Sergei 

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