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["Capotosto, Michael" <capotosto AT bnl.gov>]

Zhenyu, 

The only update to this is the order has since been approved by Elke, and the 
vendor has since sent it to the manufacturer. The color code was set by the 
manufacturer in the datasheet, and I've uploaded it to the wiki [ 
https://wiki.bnl.gov/star/index.php/Cables ]

--Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Star-fst-l <star-fst-l-bounces AT lists.bnl.gov> On Behalf Of Capotosto, 
Michael
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 9:27 AM
To: Ye, Zhenyu <yezhenyu AT uic.edu>
Cc: star-fst-l AT lists.bnl.gov
Subject: [Star-fst-l] FW: cables --- was: Re: [Star-fwd-upgrade-l] time of 
meeting

Zhenyu,

See below for email chain regarding the "Purple" production cable, to run 
from T-Board to the patch panel.

I've attached the most up-to-date documents that are referenced below, 
including: 

-Requisition
-Quote
-Spec sheet

--Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerard Visser <gvisser AT indiana.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 3:30 PM
To: Capotosto, Michael <capotosto AT bnl.gov>; Aschenauer, Elke <elke AT bnl.gov>
Cc: Videbaek, Flemming <videbaek AT bnl.gov>
Subject: Re: cables --- was: Re: [Star-fwd-upgrade-l] time of meeting

I'm sure it will be fine for us either way. I do not recommend to try to 
micromanage that, I would just leave it unspecified i.e. take it as they by 
default offer it. A 1000ft spool is not really unmanageable, I have a 1000 
foot spool of some not very different cable sitting on a shelf here.

But really, if you prefer and it doesn't cause any problems to the order it 
is indeed fine as you propose. Our finished cables are so short we won't 
really notice the difference in yield.

        Gerard


On 11/13/2019 3:23 PM, Capotosto, Michael wrote:
> Gerard,
> 
> Would you have any objections to having the cable delivered on two 500ft 
> reels, rather than continuous length? I feel this will be significantly 
> more manageable, and a 500ft continuous length is more than enough to make 
> our 48 cables.
> 
> --Mike
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Capotosto, Michael
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 3:05 PM
> To: Aschenauer, Elke <elke AT bnl.gov>
> Cc: Gerard Visser <gvisser AT indiana.edu>; Videbaek, Flemming 
> <videbaek AT bnl.gov>
> Subject: RE: cables --- was: Re: [Star-fwd-upgrade-l] time of meeting
> 
> Hey Elke,
> 
> Do we have an account to put this req on? I'll send it direct to you for 
> approval after I submit it. I'm getting an up-to-date quote for the cable, 
> but I don't expect price to change, it is currently $3,290 for 1,000ft 
> (minimum purchase) of cable. I will advise if it does.
> 
> --Mike
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gerard Visser <gvisser AT indiana.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 2:34 PM
> To: Capotosto, Michael <capotosto AT bnl.gov>
> Cc: Videbaek, Flemming <videbaek AT bnl.gov>
> Subject: Re: cables --- was: Re: [Star-fwd-upgrade-l] time of meeting
> 
> Thanks. I recommend we proceed with this right away.
> 
>       - Gerard
> 
> 
> On 11/13/2019 2:32 PM, Capotosto, Michael wrote:
>> It would come out to $3,290 for the 1,000ft of Polypropylene/PVC, quote 
>> attached.
>>
>> --Mike
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gerard Visser <gvisser AT indiana.edu>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 1:52 PM
>> To: Capotosto, Michael <capotosto AT bnl.gov>
>> Cc: Videbaek, Flemming <videbaek AT bnl.gov>
>> Subject: Re: cables --- was: Re: [Star-fwd-upgrade-l] time of meeting
>>
>> It sounds good to me. What is your $$ cost on this first order? I 
>> recommend proceed asap.
>>
>>      Gerard
>>
>>
>> On 11/13/2019 1:49 PM, Capotosto, Michael wrote:
>>> Right, I'd submit only the req for the cable, and when we confirm that 
>>> the cable is suitable, and confirm the actual OD of the cable and choose 
>>> the correct size backshell I'll get an updated quote with a deadline we 
>>> would need the assembled cables by, and submit a PO for the assembly.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Gerard Visser <gvisser AT indiana.edu>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 12:34 PM
>>> To: Capotosto, Michael <capotosto AT bnl.gov>
>>> Cc: Videbaek, Flemming <videbaek AT bnl.gov>
>>> Subject: Re: cables --- was: Re: [Star-fwd-upgrade-l] time of 
>>> meeting
>>>
>>> So I think you'll want to make a first order to KC to buy the cable only.
>>> Of course it is OK technically to order all at once, but be sure they 
>>> know we want to sit on it for perhaps a month or more before proceeding 
>>> with the actual assembly work. I'd guess two PO's is the easiest and best 
>>> way to do this, but of course whatever KC and BNL purchasing prefer is 
>>> fine.
>>>
>>>     Gerard
>>>
>>> On 11/13/2019 12:17 PM, Capotosto, Michael wrote:
>>>> Gerard,
>>>>
>>>> This would have to go on a purchase order through KC, I'll draft a 
>>>> purchase order so it will be ready to submit when we have a final 
>>>> decision. We should also double check with Elke when we decide, check 
>>>> which accounts to use.
>>>>
>>>> --Mike
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Michael Capotosto
>>>>
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>>>> *From:* Gerard Visser <gvisser AT indiana.edu>
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2019 11:38:06 AM
>>>> *To:* Capotosto, Michael <capotosto AT bnl.gov>
>>>> *Cc:* Videbaek, Flemming <videbaek AT bnl.gov>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: cables --- was: Re: [Star-fwd-upgrade-l] time of 
>>>> meeting hi Mike,
>>>>             Thanks - it looks about correct to me. I don't know 
>>>> this company, I just looked at their website it is similarly bare 
>>>> bones, but I don't see any problems here.
>>>>             I think it would make sense to get the cable made. 
>>>> Would you be ordering the cable directly, or through KC? I think we 
>>>> should see the cable in hand before committing connectors and 
>>>> assembly work to it. I'd like to see/feel a sample here at IU, also 
>>>> I will measure the characteristic impedance of the twisted pair; 
>>>> Rahul and FST guys maybe should see it and confirm looks workable 
>>>> to them (size and flexibility of it); and perhaps the BNL fire 
>>>> engineer will want to try to burn it, anyway someone should pre-approve 
>>>> its safety aspects.
>>>>             Moving forward as soon as possible to procure the cable 
>>>> seems like the thing to do. We can't do any of the above without 
>>>> cable in hand. Flemming?
>>>>
>>>>             Gerard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> p.s. If we went with the FEP cable, IST-style, well we do have 
>>>> sample and experience with that. But I think this type may be a bit 
>>>> easier to work with, although larger for sure.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/13/2019 11:02 AM, Capotosto, Michael wrote:
>>>>> Gerard,
>>>>>
>>>>> See attached for the spec sheet for the polypropylene/PVC cable. Were 
>>>>> you looking for any specific information that's not included in this 
>>>>> spec, it seems a bit bare-bones.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Mike
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Capotosto, Michael
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 3:15 PM
>>>>> To: Gerard Visser <gvisser AT indiana.edu>
>>>>> Cc: Videbaek, Flemming <videbaek AT bnl.gov>
>>>>> Subject: RE: cables --- was: Re: [Star-fwd-upgrade-l] time of 
>>>>> meeting
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Gerard,
>>>>>
>>>>> I just spoke with Kevin/KC Electronics. I made an error when 
>>>>> interpreting initial quotes. For the FEP/FEP Cable, he gave us a 
>>>>> combined quote for cable, connectors, and assembly. The quote only 
>>>>> showed the price for 400 feet of cable. It turns out there is  a 1000ft 
>>>>> minimum order for the cable.
>>>>>
>>>>> The quote was for $5.59/ft for the FEP/FEP cable ordered from KC 
>>>>> Electronics, fulfilled via Aerospace Wire and Cable. I learned today 
>>>>> this does have a 1000ft minimum.
>>>>>
>>>>> Allied Electronics via AlphaWire quoted us $9.20/ft for 400 feet 
>>>>> (coming to $3,680). This quote did not state outright a 1000ft minimum 
>>>>> order, I can follow up to get a definite answer if you'd like.
>>>>>
>>>>> The above two quotes and spec sheets can be found in the attached PDF.
>>>>>
>>>>> We also considered the Low loss/PVC "cheaper" solution, Alphawire 
>>>>> and Belden declined to provide a quote. KC Electronics provided a 
>>>>> quote, I did not ask who it is fulfilled through. This would be 
>>>>> $3.29/ft, with a 1,000ft minimum. This solution is the cheapest 
>>>>> option by approximately $400. I do not have a spec sheet, however 
>>>>> he did list
>>>> an approximate OD of 0.415".
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know how to proceed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Capotosto, Michael
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 10:10 AM
>>>>> To: Gerard Visser <gvisser AT indiana.edu>
>>>>> Cc: Videbaek, Flemming <videbaek AT bnl.gov>
>>>>> Subject: RE: cables --- was: Re: [Star-fwd-upgrade-l] time of 
>>>>> meeting
>>>>>
>>>>> Gerard,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've attached a copy of the PDF with all the quotes for cables, parts, 
>>>>> and assembly.
>>>>>
>>>>> KC Electronics would come out to $2,236.00, Alpha would be $3,680.00.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Gerard Visser <gvisser AT indiana.edu>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 10:00 AM
>>>>> To: Capotosto, Michael <capotosto AT bnl.gov>
>>>>> Cc: Videbaek, Flemming <videbaek AT bnl.gov>
>>>>> Subject: Re: cables --- was: Re: [Star-fwd-upgrade-l] time of 
>>>>> meeting
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess we should go ahead... What was the conclusion on Alpha vs. KC's 
>>>>> cable vendor, what are the costs?
>>>>>
>>>>>            Gerard
>>>>>
>>>>> p.s. I am somewhat off-duty today, son has no school. I'll check email 
>>>>> but maybe not promptly.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/15/2019 9:54 AM, Capotosto, Michael wrote:
>>>>>> Hey Gerard,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apologies, I thought I followed up on this earlier, but I didn't send. 
>>>>>> The Alpha rep declined to provide a quote.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The original (FEP/FEP/FEP) cable and assembly quote was only valid for 
>>>>>> one month, let me know if you'd like me to ask for an updated quote 
>>>>>> for purchasing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Mike

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