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[Nihar Sahoo <nihar AT rcf.rhic.bnl.gov>]

Hello Derek,

As you have implemented my comment and suggestions that I have sent you 
internally.
So I don't have any further comments. I sign off.
Please wait for other conveners' response.

Cheers
Nihar


On 2022-08-02 09:06, Derek Anderson via Star-hp-l wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> We have finished resolving our internal comments, and you can find the
> latest draft of my proceedings in the link below. I believe this draft
> should address all of the preceding comments. Let me know if there are
> further comments, questions, or concerns!
>
> https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/AndersonDerek_ProceedingsQM22.v5_0.pdf
>
>  -- Derek
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 11:33 AM Derek Anderson <derekwigwam9 AT tamu.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Sooraj, Barbara, and Yi,
> >
> > Thanks for the feedback! I wanted to give an update to you and the
> > PWG: we are currently working to resolve several internal comments
> > amongst ourselves. We believe this will ultimately save work for
> > everyone. Once these comments have been addressed, we'll post a new
> > draft which incorporates these internal comments as well as yours.
> > I've reached out to the QM secretariat, and they have confirmed that
> > the submission deadline can be extended out to August 15th.
> >
> > -- Derek
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 10:38 PM Yi Yang <yiyang0429 AT gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Derek, Thanks a lot for the updated version and it indeed looks
> > better.⁠​ I don't have any further comments on this.⁠​
> > Cheers, Yi On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 2:⁠​25 PM Derek Anderson via
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> > Thanks a lot for the updated version and it indeed looks better.
> > I don't have any further comments on this.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Yi
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 2:25 PM Derek Anderson via Star-hp-l
> > <star-hp-l AT lists.bnl.gov> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Yi and Sooraj,
> >
> > Thanks for the feedback! Please find the latest draft in the link
> > below, where I've incorporated your suggestions as well as comments
> > I received offline. The text has been streamlined substantially, and
> > I opted to remove the pp and R = 0.2 AuAu acoplanarity so as to
> > emphasize the R = 0.5 result. I've also included a few responses
> > inlined below!
> https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/AndersonDerek_ProceedingsQM22.v2_0.pdf
> > [1]
> >
> > Responses to Yi:
> >
> > > - L86: Do you have any idea how "small" it should be? Any
> > reference?
> >
> > You can find some discussion of the fragmentation contribution in
> > the 2010 gamma-hadron paper [PRC 82, 034909 (2010)]. I opted to
> > remove this sentence and simply state that the hadronic subtraction
> > does not remove fragmentation photons.
> >
> > > - L126: "the details of the un folding procedure (e.g. the choice
> > of  regularization and prior), and the uncertainty on B." I don't
> > understand this sentence. What is "B"?
> >
> > B here refers to the background level of the gamma-rich triggers
> > (defined shortly after the TSP is introduced). In the interest of
> > streamlining the text, though, I opted to remove this sentence.
> >
> > > - L163 and Figure 1: the green line is the pi^0 and gamma_dir
> > +jet combined in p+p? If so, just for my own education, why don't
> > you separate them in p+p as in Au+Au?
> >
> > I added some text which I think should clarify this, but pi0 and
> > gamma-dir triggers are not combined in pp in the R0.2/0.5 plot. The
> > upper panel is the ratio for pi0 triggers in AuAu and pi0 triggers
> > in pp, and the lower panel is the ratio for gamma-dir triggers in
> > AuAu and gamma-dir triggers in pp.
> >
> > Responses to Sooraj:
> >
> > > L108: Why a different symbol for Deltaphi here?
> >
> > Typo!
> >
> > > L109: why say in the measured Delta phi distributions here? The pT
> > axis also has correction, and the pT projected measurements also,
> > doesnt?
> >
> > What I was trying to say there was just that since the delta-phi
> > measurement is 2D, we have to unfold for both the jet pT and
> > delta-phi. I've reworked this sentence to be more clear in version
> > 2. You can also find some details on the delta-phi correction
> > procedure in slide 28 of my QM presentation or in many of the talks
> > Nihar has given to the PWG:
> https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/AndersonTalk_QM2022.v11_manualAnimations_0.pdf
> > [2]
> > https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/Jun2021Jetcorr.pdf [3]
> >
> > > L113: Any uncertainties or expectations on if this factorization
> > is expected to hold? It would be good to state
> >
> > If I remember correctly, we don't have any hard numbers and I don't
> > think we've checked the correction procedure _without _factorization
> > yet. Hence, I opted just to remove this statement.
> >
> > > L121: shifted and smeared to match those in the data?
> >
> > That's correct! I've reworded it to be more clear.
> >
> > > L175: why spell out trigger smeared here and not in the IAA
> > discussion?
> >
> > To be honest, I was just inconsistent. I've removed that phrase from
> > the proceedings in version 2 (all PYTHIA-8 curves are assumed to be
> > trigger-smeared).
> >
> > Common responses:
> >
> > > [Yi]  - General: the overall layout is very strange. Figure 1 is
> > on page 2, but it is mentioned on page 5. Figure 2 is in the
> > introduction part, but it is mentioned in the Results and
> > Discussion. I understand you have lots to show, so I don't have any
> > good solution for you. Probably remove one or two plots?
> >
> > > [Sooraj] It would be better to place the figures near the
> > discussion. You have Fig.1 on page 2, but its discussed only on P5
> >
> > The layout in version 1 was definitely awkward, and it was motivated
> > by trying to make room for everything. The layout in version 2 is
> > similar, but after cutting plots and text there's room for things to
> > move. Let me know if you still would like the plots to be closer to
> > the discussion!
> >
> > > [Yi]   - L34: I am a bit confused with this sentence "photons
> > scattered from energetic photons", do you mean "photons scattered
> > from energetic partons"? I probably miss something here.
> >
> > > [Sooraj] L34: 'photons scattered from energetic photons': what do
> > you mean here? do you want to say scattering of initial hard partons
> >
> >
> > Yep! That was a typo. In streamlining the text, though, this
> > sentence has been completely removed.
> >
> > -- Derek
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 6:01 PM Sooraj Radhakrishnan
> > <skradhakrishnan AT lbl.gov> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Derek, Thanks for preparing these nice proceedings.⁠​ Please
> > find a few comments from me below L34:⁠​ 'photons scattered from
> > energetic photons':⁠​ what do you mean here? do you want to say
> > scattering of initial hard partons L53:⁠​ Previously,
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> > Thanks for preparing these nice proceedings. Please find a few
> > comments from me below
> >
> > L34: 'photons scattered from energetic photons': what do you mean
> > here? do you want to say scattering of initial hard partons
> > L53: Previously, (also STAR had?)
> > L58: STAR previously also has
> > L74: done in previous measurements
> > L99: pedestal
> > L108: pT^reco,ch is not defined
> > L108: Why a different symbol for Deltaphi here?
> > L109: why say in the measured Delta phi distributions here? The pT
> > axis also has correction, and the pT projected measurements also,
> > doesnt?
> > L113: Any uncertainties or expectations on if this factorization is
> > expected to hold? It would be good to state
> > L121: shifted and smeared to match those in the data?
> > L122: dont have to repeat trigger-smeared here
> > L135: the line is needlessly broken here
> > L138: It would be better to place the figures near the discussion.
> > You have Fig.1 on page 2, but its discussed only on P5
> > L166: p_T,jet^ch is also not defined
> > L175: why spell out trigger smeared here and not in the IAA
> > discussion?
> > L189: You need to have a summary for the proceedings
> >
> > thanks
> > Sooraj
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 11:43 PM Yi Yang via Star-hp-l
> > <star-hp-l AT lists.bnl.gov> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Derek,
> >
> > I have some comments on v1.0 for your consideration.
> > - General: the overall layout is very strange. Figure 1 is on page
> > 2, but it is mentioned on page 5. Figure 2 is in the introduction
> > part, but it is mentioned in the Results and Discussion. I
> > understand you have lots to show, so I don't have any good solution
> > for you. Probably remove one or two plots?
> > - L33: with with --> with
> > - Figure 1: Please explain the colors in the plots, dark red
> > (blue) and light red (blue) are...
> > - L34: I am a bit confused with this sentence "photons scattered
> > from energetic photons", do you mean "photons scattered from
> > energetic partons"? I probably miss something here.
> > - Figure 2 Caption: PYTHIA-8 (MONASH tune) --> PYTHIA-8 with
> > MONASH tune
> > - L51: [7] should be [5]  (just the number...)
> > - L56: [5] should be [6]
> > - L60: [6] should be [7]
> > - L64: at STAR --> at STAR in p+p and Au+Au collisions.
> > - L67: should mention the collision energies for both p+p and
> > Au+Au collisions here. Which year for p+p data?
> > - L71: probably you don't need "(BEMC)" since you didn't use it
> > later.
> > - L86: Do you have any idea how "small" it should be? Any
> > reference?
> > - L93: In Au+Au --> In Au+Au collisions
> > - L99: pedestat --> _pedestal_
> > _  - L103: _ Au+Au --> Au+Au collisions
> > - L116: PYTHIA-8 (MONASH tune) --> PYTHIA-8 with MONASH tune
> > - L126: "the details of the un folding procedure (e.g. the choice
> > of  regularization and prior), and the uncertainty on B." I don't
> > understand this sentence. What is "B"?
> > - Figure 3 Caption: PYTHIA-8 (MONASH tune) --> PYTHIA-8 with
> > MONASH tune
> > - L135: It is empty after "Au+Au"
> > - L157: in figure 2 --> in Fig. 2
> > - L158:  PYTHIA-8 (MONASH tune) --> PYTHIA-8 with MONASH tune
> > - L163 and Figure 1: the green line is the pi^0 and gamma_dir +jet
> > combined in p+p? If so, just for my own education, why don't you
> > separate them in p+p as in Au+Au?
> > - L171: In figure 3 --> In Fig. 3
> > - L175: PYTHIA-8 (MONASH tune) --> PYTHIA-8 with MONASH tune
> > - L179: figure 4 --> Fig. 4
> >
> > - L182: figure 4 --> Fig. 4
> > * If you don't have enough space, I would suggest only showing one
> > R value in Fig. 3 and Fig 4, say only showing R = 0.5 plots for p+p
> > and Au+Au.
> > - References: the journals should the standard abbreviation, like
> > PRC --> Phys. Rev. C
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Yi
> >
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> > On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 10:59 PM Derek Anderson via Star-hp-l
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> > Hi all,
> >
> > I wanted to give a heads-up on these: I'm currently working on some
> > comments I received offline and will upload a new version of the
> > proceedings later today. The main changes will be a substantial
> > reduction and streamlining of the text so that the figures can be
> > made to be much larger.
> >
> > -- Derek
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 24, 2022 at 9:20 PM Derek Anderson
> > <derekwigwam9 AT tamu.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I've implemented some comments received offline, and now the
> > proceedings are an even 6 pages. The new version of the proceedings
> > can be found in the link below!
> https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/AndersonDerek_ProceedingsQM22.v1_0.pdf
> > [5]
> >
> > -- Derek
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 10:50 AM Derek Anderson
> > <derekwigwam9 AT tamu.edu> wrote:
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> > Hi all,
> >
> > Apologies for the extreme tardiness on this, but please find in the
> > previous message the 1st draft of my QM2022 proceedings. Currently,
> > they're sitting at 7 pages (parallel talks are limited to 6), so
> > I'll be working on cutting things down... However, the general
> > structure and details are there, so please let me know if you have
> > any comments, suggestions, or questions!
> >
> > -- Derek
> >
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