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Re: [Star-hp-l] [Star-hf-l] low energy NPE v2 paper
- From: Yuanjing Ji <jiyj AT rcf.rhic.bnl.gov>
- To: Sooraj Radhakrishnan <skradhakrishnan AT lbl.gov>
- Cc: Star-hp-l AT lists.bnl.gov
- Subject: Re: [Star-hp-l] [Star-hf-l] low energy NPE v2 paper
- Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 00:15:43 -0700
Dear convenors,
Thank you for your comments. I have prepared my responses and updated the paper and AN note accordingly.
Updated paper and note:
https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/HFe_v2_paper_2022sep27.pdf
https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/NPE_v2_analysis_note_2022sep27.pdf
Paper difference between updated and previous version:
https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/difference_sep27_may22.pdf
Please find my response to your comments below:
https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/Sooraj_paper.pdf
https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/sooraj_note_2nd.pdf
https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/barbara_paper_2nd.pdf
https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/Barbara_note_2nd.pdf
Website of the low energy HF electron paper:
https://www.star.bnl.gov/protected/heavy/jiyj/NPEweb
Best
Yuanjing
On 2022-06-23 12:19, Sooraj Radhakrishnan wrote:
Dear Yuanjing,
Sorry for the delayed response. Thanks for taking into account my
comments and the updated version of the analysis note. I am fine with
the responses and the updated note.
One further clarification on Q38:
Is the estimate from using only the near-side used anywhere in the
results? It seems quite arbitrary to assume that the lower limit for
non-flow is when near-side has no modifications and away side gets
completely washed out! We do know near side shape also changes. Plus,
if you are not using the full phi range (with flat values beyond pi/2)
to calculate here it would be wrong too, because v2 should be defined
in the full phi range as the Fourier functions are orthogonal only in
the full range. You wont be calculating v2 with a limited range. If
this part is not used in the results, I suggest to exclude it from the
note
Also on the section 11.1, now significance figures are quoted for eHF
and phi v2 compared to pi v2 at lower energies. Its stated the eHF v2
at 27 GeV is 1..85 sigma lower than eHF v2 at 54.4 GeV and phi v2 at
27 GeV. However, from the error bars in the plot (Fig 79), they are
within 1 sigma. How are these numbers calculated?
Please find some comments from me on the paper draft below:
Abstract: As the error bars are large, I think we should not make any
conclusions for the measurements from 27 GeV in the abstract than
stating its zero within large uncertainties. Also the claim of
thermalization from collectivity can be questioned by referees. The
last sentence of the abstract reads disconnected. Have to explain what
particles are compared and for what quantity/dependence. If the last
sentence is based on Fig.9, its too strong a conclusion. The last
points for phi and eHF are within one sigma from the pion data points,
can hardly make the conclusion in the abstract. The abstract I believe
is already strong with the measurement of comparable v2 for eHF at
54.4 GeV as at 200 GeV and the inferences drawn from it
Abstract L1: We report on
Abstract L4: v2 in Au+Au --> in Au+Au
Abstract L9: hadrons at this energy
L4: extremely
L7: is created
L10: microscopic structure is unclear here, please consider rephrasing
L15: Remove sentence starting 'The carry ..'
L22: LHC energies
L56: passing the selection
L59: at similar energies --> at 62.4 and 39 GeV respectively
L84: particle species and the merged pions .... particle samples -->
samples
Fig.1 It might be useful to indicate also the merged pion band
L116: why including is needed here?
L131: You have to specify at which energies
L156: reaction plane --> second order event plane
L158: The event plane is ... this sentence can be removed
L182: Are these difference used in systematic uncertainty evaluation.
Did I miss that in the note? Why should the difference inform on
systematic uncertainties?
L212: Are there no discussions on systematic uncertainties on eff_reco
and N_pho evaluation and v2_pho evaluation? And uncertainties for
various extrapolations considered?
L230: Does diffusion at different temperatures cause largely different
v2? Can a reference be added for this sentence?
L234: I think this speculation should be avoided, given the precision
of the data
L258: Why there is no discussion on the disagreement at lower pT?
L276: How is this done? The reverse mapping is not possible? Is it
from the average? I dont see the discussion on the note regarding
this. In the note a specific pT range for eHF v2 is quoted
L288: It should be modified as hint of drop
L289: Its a strong conclusion to draw from such a limited significance
L299: At low pT (< 1 GeV/c), this is not consistent, as shown in Fig.
8. So need to be careful here
L302: QCD --> QGP
thanks
Sooraj
On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 9:43 PM Barbara Trzeciak
<barbara.trzeciak AT gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Yuanjing,https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/Heavy_Flavor_Electron_v2_at_27_and_54_4_Au_Au_Collisions_May10.pdf
thanks for the answers and the new version of the AN and the draft.
I have a few remaining comments, please see below. And I will send
my comment to the paper draft soon.
Cheers,
Barbara
Replies:
(18) - Have you considered relaxation of the mean and width
parameters for the sys. unc. estimation?
_- In systematic uncertainty estimation, we also directly take the
normalized nSigmaE histograms, instead of gaussian functions, as the
templates to carry out purity fitting. So the uncertainties from the
description of the particlesβ nSigmaE shape, including mean and
width, will be taken into account. And considering the statistics
under most of the momentum bins, uncertainty from mean and width are
quite small. Also when carrying out template fitting to extract
purity, we have already had 5 free parameters (particle yields), so
it is not suitable to add more free parameters_
Yes, but at very low pT the sys. unc. on the purity are not even
visible with the current variations. Maybe then, even if the means
and withs from the fits to the pure hadron and electron samples have
small uncertainties, they will give a not negligible effect compared
to the other variations that you use currently for the sys. unc.
estimation. My point is not to relax the mean and the sigma fully,
but from your fits to the pure samples you get values that have some
uncertainties, you can then put limits on the mean and width in the
total fit to e.g. mean +/- 3unc. Also, up to 0.33 the merged pions
don't fit so well in the total fit.
AN:
- nSigmaE fits for 27 GeV: here I spotted that in some bins the
electron fit is taken over by hadrons. Between momentum of 1 and
~1.1 GeV/c and then in the 0.53-0.55 GeV/c range the electron
gaussian is replaced by the Kaon gaussian. This is probably because
you don't constrain the yields for 27 GeV and shouldn't change your
results (I think all of these cases are in the excluded regions),
but still it would be good to update it for future. And I think it's
better to have consistent methods for 54 and 27 GeV.
- Purity estimation: what is the reason to take histograms for pions
instead of constraints based on the gaussian fits to these
distributions? The gaussian shape looks to describe the pion
distribution well. Taking this variation as the sys. unc. introduces
quite large unc. at higher pT where it seems to me that it might be
driven by the statistical fluctuation in the pion histograms. For
the cases where you use histograms for pions in the total fit, could
you please add stat. unc. on the purity distribution ? I'm making
this point also because the purity for 54 GeV at 2-2.5 GeV/c is
larger than 95% and if the unc. were smaller there, this range could
be usable for the v2 calculation. This drop is not visible for 27
GeV when using histogram when you use wider bins, so I wonder if
this sys. for 54 GeV is not driven by the statistical fluctuations
in the pion sample - you don't have many entries in the tails of
your pion distribution and then when you normalise it for the total
fit, these fluctuations are enhanced.
- L366: missing figure number
- L433: missing figure number
- "The πππππ in Au+Au 39 and 62.4 GeV are also taken
from PHENIX direct photon paper [20] and PhD thesis on this
measurement [34]." - why do you take Ncoll from the PHENIX paper,
not from independent Glauber calculations ?
- Fig. 20: are these plots for 62. 4 GeV ? If so, it's missliding to
label them "Au+Au 54.4 GeV", I would change it to "Au+Au 62.4 GeV"
and explain in the text that these spectra are used for the 54.4 GeV
analysis.
- Fig.26 and 27: you've changed binning for some of the sys. unc.
sources, which could be fine, but a bit confusing because different
sources now have different binning and it's also not clear how then
the total sys. unc. in the fine binning is obtained. I would use the
same binning for all the sources, it should correspond to the
binning that you have for the reconstruction efficiency.
Also, there is no unc. for the lowest pT bin for nHitsFit.
L483: uncertainty for is given in Fig. 26. Figure 29 shows - there's
a missing word "for ... is", also Fig.26 and 27, and Figures 28 and
29 show.
With the reconstruction efficiency obtained from the embedding
simulation -> is it the same as the combined reconstruction
efficiency that you describe ? What's the difference between
efficiencies in Fig.28,29 and fig. 37?
L578: flatten Fig. ??(a) -> missing figure number
Fig. 63, 64: why for 54.4 you have Npho stat (data) and Npho stat
(embed) while for 27 GeV there's only one contribution: Npho stat,
is it only from data ? And why the Npho stat (embed) for 54.4 has
quite a big contribution, larger than sys. unc. in some bins ?
Fig. 80: second HFe v2 point at 27 GeV is missing.
On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 10:46 PM Yuanjing Ji <jiyj AT rcf.rhic.bnl.gov>
wrote:
Dear convenors,
I would like to draw your attention that the updated NPE v2 note,
paper
as well as the responses to convenors' comments have been sent to
PWG
for more than two weeks. I am wondering do you have any further
comments
on the low-energy NPE v2 paper and note?
Thanks,
Best
Yuanjing
On 2022-05-10 16:42, Yuanjing Ji via Star-hf-l wrote:
Dear convenors,Please find
Again, thank you for your valuable comments. We have updated our
notes/paper draft and prepared responses to your comments.
the details below. We would like to get your sign-off and moveon to
GPC.
Paper draft:
https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/NPE_v2_at_Au_Au_27_and_54_4_GeV_analysis_note_May10.pdf
Note:
https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/Sooraj_NPE_v2_note_May10.pdf
Website: https://www.star.bnl.gov/protected/heavy/jiyj/NPEweb
Response to convenors:
Comments to Note:
response to Sooraj:
https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/Barbara_NPE_v2_note_May10.pdfresponse to Barbara:
https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/Yang_NPE_v2_note_May10.pdfresponse to Yi:
https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/Barbara_NPE_v2_paper_May10.pdfComments to Paper:
response to Barbara:
https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/Yi_yang_NPE_v2_paper_May10.pdfresponse to Yi:
https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/HFE_v2_at_27_and_54_4_Au_Au_Collisions_v1.pdffrom me
Best
Yuanjing
On 2021-07-01 21:22, Sooraj Radhakrishnan wrote:
Dear Yuanjing,
Sorry for the late reply on this. Please find some comments
electronon the nicely prepared analysis note below
L 37: if constructing --> for reconstructing
Fig 1. Do you also have a plot of the pT correlation of the
the pT_eand parent HF hadron? Would be good to see what the parent pT
to DCA1.2 GeV/c correspond toFig 4b. Do you have a similar plot for 27 GeV?
L 55: is nToFMatch same as TOF multiplicity?
L 112: What does the primary track requirement have in addition
doesntcut?
Fig 7: For the merged pions, are these the selected sample? It
onseem to correspond to the band in Fig.6b. How can by selecting
pTlarge nSigma_pi a merged pion pure sample be selected at higher
overlap?where TOF PID is not so clean?
Fig 8: Can you include the PID fits for other pT regions in the
appendix?
L 148: What about overlap regions with K, merged pi or proton?
L 149: Are these checks only for regions with significant pi
hereFig 9.a What eta range is this for?
Eq 8 Is there any energy dependence for the spectra to be taken
inputas the data are for 39 and 62.4 GeV?
Eq 11: Could you specify the low and high pT regions for the
the lowgamma spectra from data or p+p scaled?
Fig 15: There doesnt seem to be a smooth continuation between
systematicpT scaling and the high pT pQCD regions. And there is energy
dependence for the pQCD part. How is this accomodated in the
weighting?
L 202: What are the eta weights taken for the parent particle
distributions? Are they taken to be flat? Is there any
normalization forchecks on efficiency determination done from this?
L 209: why is this factor needed? There is already
differentpT and by number of parent particles. Is this different for
Is itsources?
Fig 54, 55: What are the partner electron pT in these figures?
27 GeVall pT?
Fig 54-56: Are these for 54.4 GeV? could you specify? Can the
errorplots also be added for completion?
Fig 18: Could you add a brief description describing how the
Rcut isbands shown is obtained?
Eq 13: I am a bit confused here. Shouldnt you just multiply the
efficiency with a correction factor Rcut,MC/Rcut,data, where
account forthe fraction of normalized counts from a cut? Wouldnt this
is athe shape difference between data and MC in the efficiency
calculation?
L 232, 233: typos in comparison symbols
Fig 21: How does this impact the efficiency calculation? There
shouldmomentum shift depending on the conversion vertex position,
the Ke3this be taken into account in the efficiency calculation?
L 240: Could you have a small separate paragraph/section for
efficiency? The--> e contribution? Why is it discussed together with
this the30% and 10% quoted are fractions of eHF?
Fig 24: What are the systematic uncertainties shown here? Is
calculations?combined uncertainty from phe efficiency and purity
added?
L 246-252: Many typos in comparison symbols, please fix
Fig 26b: Why are the 27 GeV values not shown? Could this be
centrality
Fig 27a: Is the recentering and flattening done in small
Canbins or for the 0-60% centrality? Will this introduce any bias?
reconstructedthe inclusive v2 be checked for EP flattened in 5% and 0-60%
centrality bins?
L 258 and other places: reconstructed electrons -->
letphotonic electrons
L 274: A scaling looking at BES energy dependence for v2 should
for 27you extrapolate to the 54.4 Gev from 62.4 GeV, isnt? or similar
theGeV
L 285: This paragraph is not clear. Why do you need to flatten
theinput phi distribution? You are sampling from a distribution,
statisticalstatistical fluctuations should be kept for a meaningful
have auncertainties on your final calculated phe v2 values. Do you
pTplot showing the impact of this weight on the evaluated phe v2?
Eq 33: So with this, the v2 is calculated for different partner
What isvalues? What is the x-axis in Fig 34?
After Eq 33: Do you have a figure describing this reweighting?
is theF_reco a function of? pT? May be Im confused here a bit, what
electron here?distinction between reconstructed electron and photonic
for
Eq 34: What are the number of points here referring to? Is this
valuesthe uncertainty in the scale factor c? What are data and sim
andreferring to here? This part might need a bit more expansion
estimationfigures.
Eq 38: subscript should be sys in the second equation
L 308: What makes the phe v2 uncertainties largest? This was as
mentioned above not quite clear as to what goes into the
the ke3
L 319+: many comparison symbol typo
L 341: Fig reference missing
Fig 43: What is the reason for the double peaked structure of
range,fractions? Arent the quality cuts pT independent?
Fig 46: This was discussed before I guess, only the full range
calculation makes sense for v2. If you use only the near side
cause thisthen by definition, v2 vales will be different.
L 412+ Again many symbol typos, please fix
L 465: Is the low pT difference not significant? what could
<jiyj AT rcf.rhic.bnl.gov>difference?
thanks
Sooraj
On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 12:59 PM Yuanjing Ji
collisionswrote:
Hi Barbara and Yi,
Thank you for the very nice comments. I will send the updated
version
once I address all the comments.
Best
Yuanjing
On 2021-06-17 12:30, Barbara Trzeciak wrote:
Hi Yuanjing,
please find my comment to the paper draft below.
Cheers,
Barbara
Paper draft comments:
- abstract:
- Heavy flavor electron (e HF ) v2 in Au+Au βsNN = 54.4 GeV
collisions -> Heavy flavor electron (e HF ) v2 in Au+Au
27at
βsNN = 54.4 GeVmesons
- of 200 GeV -> at βsNN = 200 GeV
- "their parent charm hadron v2" - but you consider here D
only not B ?54.4
- The measured e HF v2 in 54.4 GeV -> The measured e HF v2 at
GeV
- thermal equilibrium in Au+Au 54.4 GeV collisions - >thermal
equilibrium in Au+Au collisions at β sNN = 54.4 GeV
- in Au+Au βsNN = 27 GeV -> in Au+Au collisions at βsNN =
massGeV
- This indicates a hint -> This hints
- "The energy dependence of particle v2 reveals the quark
nuclearhierarchy in the process of thermalization in high-energy
to saycollisions" - This statement might be too strong. It's hard
largeif
we can conclude so based on HF results in fig. 8 that have
regardinguncertainties. Please also see my comments to the AN
inthis.
- Figures: on some figures you have "Au+Au Collisions 0-60%"
allother
"Au+Au 0-60%" or "Au+Au Collisions" - please unify this among
youthe
figurestheory
- L3: theory to describe strong interaction in laboratory ->
that describes strong interactions
- L8: you cite here RHIC papers only [1,2], while in the text
heavy ionalso
mention LHC.
- L8: of current heavy ion experiments -> of the current
onexperiments
- L14: comparable to larger -> comparable or larger
- L20: There are quite significant experimental achievements
modificationthe
charm hadron elliptic flow (v2) [7, 8, 9] and nuclear
resultsfactor (RAA) measurements -> There are many experimental
stronglyon
the charm hadron elliptic flow (v2) [7,9,9] and nuclearmodification
factor (RAA) [10, 11, 12, 13]
- L22: at top RHIC -> at the top RHIC
- L24: with the -> in the
- L25: are coupled with the QGP medium strongly -> are
incoupled with the QGP mediumusing
- L26: using the single electrons from heavy flavor decays ->
single electrons from open-charm and -bottom hadron decays
- L27: show -> provide
- L27: there are also ATLAS resutls on muons from HF decays
[1] [1]Pb+Pb
at 5.02 TeV: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.physletb.2020.135595
-> of[2]
- L30: at critical temperature region -> around the critical
temperature
- L33: for heavy flavor program will be focusing on further
Previously,heavy flavor program is to furtheroffers
- L34: remove "uncertainty"
- L 36: RHIC top energy region will offer -> RHIC top energy
parameter,
- L37: this QGP transport parameter. -> the QGP transport
D_s.
- L28: Previously RHIC experiments have conducted ->
dataRHIC
experiments conductedsystematically
- L40: contained large uncertainties statistically and
-> have large statistically and systematically uncertainties
- L41: such that one cannot -> therefore one cannot
- L46: used in the analysis -> utilized in this analysis
- L52: used in the analysis for tracking -> used for tracking
- L55: for -> of
- L56: The data sample statistics -> The statistics of the
pionsample
- L63: require -> is required
- L65-66: converted in high detector material density area ->
converted in areas of high detector material density
- L67: Electron tracks are first selected by -> Electron are
identified using
- L69: and required -> and are required
- L74: electron samples -> electrons
- L75: and PID cuts -> and particle identification (PID) cuts
- L75: called as -> called
- L77-78: Merged pion happens when TPC cannot seperate two
piontracks
due to finite resolution -> Merged pions is a sample of two
oftracks that cannot by separated due to the finite resolution
theTPC.
- Fig.1 caption: (Plot(a) depicts the dE/dx distribution of
passtracks
that pass TOF PID -> (a) dE/dx distribution of tracks that
TOFTOF
PID
The purity of inclusive electron samples after both dE/dx and
electronPID
cuts is shown in plot(b). -> (b): purity of the inclusive
β sNNsample after both dE/dx and TOF PID in Au+Au collisions at
example=
54 GeV. The gray band represents systematic uncertainties.
- Fig.1a: a suggestion, it might be more useful to show an
momentumprojection of nSigmaE with a multi-gaussian fit
- L82: are used -> is used
- L83: electrons candidates -> electron candidates
- L83: add that nSigmaE projections are done in narrow
electronbins
- L84: the ratio of electron yields -> a ratio of the
approximateyield
- L84: over the integrated yields -> over the yield
- L85: within nΟe cuts -> within the analysis nΟe cut
- L88: crossover with electron -> cross with the electron
- L89: momentum range -> momentum ranges - give also
significantvalues of these ranges
- L89: the significant drop of electron purity -> a
Photonicdrop
of electron purity, as can be seen in Fig. 1(b).
- L90: into systematic -> in the shown systematic
- L92: description for -> description of
- L93: remove -> exclude from the further analysis
- L94: range within -> ranges of
- Fig. 2 caption: Photonic electron partner pT (a) -> (a)
reconstructedelectron partner pT - same for (b) and (c)tracks
- L97: decay -> decays
- L102: Tracks from inclusive electrons -> Inclusive electron
- L103: called as tagged electron -> called tagged electrons
- L104: electrons -> electrons
- L108: are called as reconstruction -> are called
background is
- L109: backgrounds of this method are estimated ->
as theestimated
- L110: yields are -> yield is
- L113-114: is the e^pho reconstruction efficiency defined
determined byestimated e^reco yield over Npho . \epsilon^reco is
qualitytrack quality cuts on partner electron and -> is the photonicelectron
reconstruction efficiency that takes into account track
where youcuts
applied on the partner electron and
- L115: reconstruction cuts -> the reconstruction cuts
- Fig. 2: please move it closer to the place in the text
collisionsdescribe it
- L117: STAR detector -> the STAR detector
- L117: photon -> photons
- L119: in Au+Au 39 and 62.4 GeV collisions -> in Au+Au
sNNat
β sNN = 39 and 62.4 GeV
- L119-120: eta spectra is -> The \eta spectra are
- L122: as the real -> as in the real
- L123: of partner -> of the partner
- L124: tagged -> the tagged
- L124: Au+Au 54.4 GeV collisions -> Au+Au collisions at β
data=
54.4 GeV
- L127: TPC inner field cage -> the TPC inner field cage
- L128: shows a good description of data -> described the
andwell.
conversion in
- L129: electrons contributed by Dalitz decay and photon
the total -> the electron contribution from the Dalitz decays
crossthe
photon conversions to the total
- L131: mainly contributed by -> mostly from
- L133: efficiency are -> efficiency is
- L134: black data point -> black points
- L137: are shown -> is shown
- L137-138: Because the drop of charm hadrons production
lightsection as the decrease of energy is faster than those of
hadronhadrons, -> Because the charm hadron production cross sectiondrops
faster with the decreasing collision energy than the light
youproduction cross section,
- L141: here you write about the reaction plane, but later
anwrite
that you use event plane. Should be added that event plane is
Ξ·estimation for the reaction plane in an experiment.
- L144: with opposite Ξ· sign of the electron -> in opposite
fromregion
of the detector than the electron candidate
- L145: are applied -> is applied
- L147: event plane -> the event plane
- L148: would be good what is the value of the resolution.
- L150: as -> as used for the
- Fig. 3 caption: (a): The relative fraction of electrons
Dalitzvarious sources in the photonic electron sample, including:
shown asdecay ...including"-
"Photonic electrons are consisted with various ingredients
remove
The total photonic electron reconstruction efficiency is
stylethe
solid points in panel (a) -> (b) The total photonic electron
reconstruction efficiency shown as the solid points
- Fig. 4 caption: refer to bands and data points using they
bandsnot
colors. The same comment to other figures.
GeV collisions -> GeV
- Fig. 5: use different area styles for the red and blue
reconstructed
y-axis title: Electron Anisotropy -> v_2
- L155-159: it's not clear from the text what is the
uncertainties onelectron v2, why you show it and why you discuss
clearit,
as what you need is the photonic electron v2. It's also not
makehow
do you obtain the unc. on the photonic electron v2. Please
electronthis
part more clear for a reader.
- L161: inclusive electrons and their -> the inclusive
efficiencysample
and the hadron
- L164: are estimated by-> is estimated using
- L165: simulation -> simulations
- L165: TPC tracking efficiency are -> the TPC tracking
GeVis
- L168: spectra is -> spectrum is
- L168: Au+Au 62.4 GeV -> Au+Au collisions at β sNN = 62.4
would be
- You don't comment on the kaon contribution at 27 GeV
- L180: are the multiplicity -> is the multiplicity
- L180: event plane -> the event plane
- L185-205: you don't discuss results below 1.2 GeV/c, it
andgood to have some observations about the low pT part in thisparagraph
as well.
- L186: 27, 54.4 -> 27 and 54.4 GeV
- L187: and 200 GeV -> and at β sNN = 200 GeV
- L189: in 54.4 GeV -> for 54.4 GeV
- L190: contains much improved precision both statistically
statisticalsystematically -> are more precise, both in terms of
haveand
systematic uncertainties.
- L195: in 54.4 GeV -> at β sNN = 54.4 GeV
- L196: so strongly with the QGP medium that they may also
4reached -> strongly with the QGP medium and may reach
- L198: "although the collision energy is nearly a factor of
in thelower"
- I think it's better to give an estimate of the difference
sNNinitial energy density for the two energies.critical
- L201-202: ".. at temperature region close to the critical
temperature. " - not sure if this statement is correct. By
temperature you refer to which exactly temperature ?
- Fig. 7 at 54.4 GeV collisions -> in Au+Au collisions at β
add=
54.4 GeV
- L211: "elastic collisional scatterings should dominate" -
->some
references to this statement
- L211: this low pT region that is covered in this analysis
GeV ->this
the pT region covered by this analysis
-Fig. 6 caption: 54.4 (black points) and 27 (green points)
hadron v254.4
GeV (black points) and 27 GeV (green points). black points ->full
circles, same for other points.
- L226: comparable -> consistent
- L228: centroid of data points -> measured central values
- L231: is often different -> differ
- L232-233: To have a fair comparison between the charm
hadronswith
identified particles v2 -> In order to compare v2 of charm
m0)/nq,with the identified particle v2
- L236: calculate -> simulate
- L237: follow the number-of-constituent-quark, (mT β
forscaling
- L238: as far as I understand, you use preliminary results
itlight
hadron v2 at 54 GeV. I think these results are now in GPC, so
published.would
be good to use the updated results here, once they are
v2Something to keep in mind for later.
- L240: with that of e^HF from data -> with the measured e^HF
the
- L241: which is corresponding -> , that corresponds
- L242: have obtained -> obtain
- L242-243: in Au+Au 54.4 GeV collisions. It suggests that
atcharm
quark may be close -> and maybe be close
- L244: at Au+Au β sNN = 54.4 GeV -> in Au+Au collisions
biasβ
sNN = 54.4 GeV
- L249: at 7.7-200 GeV -> at β sNN = 7.7-200 GeV
- L250, 251: at 2.76 TeV -> at β sNN = 2.76 TeV
- L250-252: e HF and Ο v2 at 2.76 TeV are lack of minimum
eccentricitymeasurements and scaled to 0 β 60% centrality by
Ο v2[57]
-> Since there are no minimum bias measurements of e HF and
narrowerin
Pb+Pb collisions at β sNN = 2.76 TeV, the results in
needscentrality ranges [ref] are scaled to 0 β 60% centrality by
eccentricity [57].
- L253: "while become much smaller at low energies" - this
-to be
quantified, within the uncertainties it's not so much smaller
onlyplease
also see comments to the AN regarding this. Also, D0 point is
phifor
200 GeV.comments
- L255: "With decreasing collision energy, ..." - please see
on this statement in other places.
- Fig. 8 doesn't have K as described in the text. Also, the
toresults that you showed during the coll. meeting looked moreprecise
and further from pi v2 than the results on fig. 8. What haschanged ?
The D0 point overlaps with the HFe point, I don't think it'snecessary
there, or maybe shift it a bit more. Please also see comments
βthe
AN on this results.about
- Fig. 8: y-axis title, remove "@ <kT> .. .", add information
<kT> on the plot
- L261: in Au+Au 27 GeV collisions -> in Au+Au collisions at
issNN
= 27 GeVnon-zero
- L262: while e HF in 54.4 GeV collisions shows a significant
v2 -> while at β sNN = 54.4 GeV a significant non-zero v2
theobserved for pT < 2 GeV/c.
- L263: to that of -> to that at
- L264: "Several transport model calculations under predict
abovemeasured .." - isn't the discrepancy below pT of 1 GeV/c and
withthere's agreement ?
- L268: can still gain -> gain
- L269: the evolution of the QCD medium -> the interactions
atthe
expanding QCD medium
- L270: Au+Au 54.4 GeV collisions as well -> Au+Au collisions
theβ
sNN = 54.4 GeV
- L271: new constraints to the -> further constraints on
collisions
- L271-272: reference to this sentence would be useful
- L272-273: "We observe clear ...as the decrease of
aboveenergies." - this sentence might be too strong, comments as
toand
to the AN.
- L274-275: this sentence is quite generic and doesn't seem
expectedbring
much. Either add some argument why, mention what is still
onto
come and at what energies, etc., or remove this sentence.wrote:
On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 9:33 AM Yi Yang <yiyang AT ncku.edu.tw>
Dear Yuanjing,
I have some comments and suggestions for your consideration
pho},your
pleasenice paper draft.
- General: all symbols, like e^{pho}, N^{NPE}, N_{Inc} ...,
use romain font for the superscripts. For example, e^{\rm
theirN^{\rm NPE}
- Title: Heavy Flavor --> Heavy-Flavor
- Abstract: it would be nice to mention STAR here.
Heavy flavor electron --> Heavy-flavor electrons
exhibit --> exhibits
with the expectation that their parent charm
hadron v_2 follows number-... --> with the expectation of
namelydescribeparent charm hadron v_2 following number-...
The measured e^HF v_2 in Au+Au sqrt(s_NN) = 27 GeV
--> The measured e^HF v_2 at sqrt(s_NN) = 27 GeV
-L2: Heavy ion --> Heavy-ion
-L3: to describe strong interaction in laboratory, --> to
strong interaction, in laboratory,
-L7: , namely the Quark-Gluon Plasma (QGP) had been --> ,
-->the Quark-Gluon Plasma (QGP), had been
-L7: heavy ion collisions --> heavy-ion collisions
-L8: heavy ion experiments --> heavy-ion experiments
-L10: Heavy flavor quarks --> Heavy-flavor quarks
-L11: large masses --> heavy masses
-L12: Heavy flavor quarks --> Heavy-flavor
-L13: heavy ion collisions --> heavy-ion collisions
-L14: larger than --> longer than
-L16: Heavy quark --> Heavy-flavor quarks
-L18: heavy quark --> Heavy-flavor quark
-L20: There are quite significant experimental achievements
experimentsThere are quite a lot of experimental achievements (?)
-L22: at top RHIC energy --> at the top RHIC energy
-L23: at high transverse momentum p_T --> at high p_T
-L26: heavy flavor decays --> heavy-flavor hadron decays
-L33: heavy flavor program --> heavy-flavor program
-L35: (mu_B) etc. --> (mu_B), etc.
-L35: heavy quark --> Heavy-flavor quark
-L38: Previously RHIC experiments --> Previous RHIC
The-L54: 35cm --> 35 cm
-L54: Totally, 5.7 x 10^8 ... --> Total 5.7 x 10^8 ...
-L55: The data sample statistics used here is more than -->
fromstatistics of these data sample is more than
-L58: Add reference of the previous STAR measurement
-L65: to suppress photon decayed electrons converted in high
detector material density area --> to suppress the electrons
area.the photon conversion at high detector material density
requirements(?)
-L68: path-length --> path length
-L68: time-of-flight --> time of flight
-L71: pass 1/beta cuts are --> passed 1/beta cuts is
-L75: PID cuts --< particle identification (PID)
``merged-L75: called --> categorized (?)
-L77: proton and so called merged pions --> proton, and
(a)pions''
-L78: finite resolution --> finite spatial resolution
-Figure 1: (Plot(a) depicts the dE/dx ... pass TOF PID -->
bandThe
dE/dx ... passed TOF PID
The purity of ... PID cuts is shown in plot (b)
--> (b) The purity of .... PID cuts as a function of p_T
-L83: pass 1/beta cuts --> passed 1/beta cuts
-L88: , kaon and proton dE/dx bands crossover --> the dE/dx
offor kaon and proton crossover
-L90: into systematic uncertainty --> into the systematic
uncertainty
-L91: It would be good to elaborate more on "the selection
(e^{\rmpion
samples".
-L95: Please explain why the systematic uncertainty is
out-of-control in these regions.
-L96: heavy flavor electrons --> heavy-flavor electrons
N^{Inc}HF})
-L99: N^{NPE} = p x N^{Inc} + N^{pho} --> N^{NPE} = p x
efficiency-
electronN^{pho}
-L104: A tagged electrons --> A tagged electron
-L105: as photonic electron candidate --> as the photonic
candidate
-L105: di-electron passes --> dielectron pair passed
-L112: pass reconstruction -->passed reconstruction
-L113: \epsilon^{reco} is the e^{pho} reconstruction
isdefined as the estimated e^{reco} yield over N^{\pho}.
\epsilon^{reco} is determined by ... --> \epsilon^{reco}
andthe
e^{pho} reconstruction efficiency and is determined by ...
("defined as the estimated e^{reco} yield over N^{\pho}"
reads a bit strange to me.)
-L120: shape of --> shapes of
-L122: Fig. 2 shows --> Figure 2 (a) - (c) show
-L124: pair-DCA and decay-length distribution --> pair-DCA,
< p_Tdecay-length distributions
-L125: electron 0.4 < p_T < 2.5 GeV/c --> electron with 0.4
and< 2.5 GeV/c
-L128:, respectively. The simulation... --> , respectively,
TPC-IFCthey can be well described by the simulation.
-L128: Fig 3 (a) depict --> Figure 3 (a) depicts
-L130: in total photonic electrons --> to the total photonic
electrons
-L132: in the TPC inner field cage (TPC-IFC) --> in the
-->-L133: dominated --> dominant
-L133: The estimated e^{pho} reconstruction efficiency are
resolutionThe
estimated reconstruction efficiency for e^{pho} is
-L134: Reconstruction efficiency for --> Reconstruction
efficiencies from
-L136: 54.4 and 200 --> 54.4, and 200
-L142: add a reference for the v2 definition
-L147: azimuth angle --> azimuthal angle
-L147: Please describe how to evaluate the event plane
27TPC-IFCor give a reference.
-L151: Due to lack of --> Due to the lack of
-Figure 3: are consisted with --> are consisted of
solid points in panel (a) --> solid points in
panel (b)
from different sources. --> from different
sources: Green is pi^0/eta --> e (green), gamma --> e from
(magenta), and gamma --> e from other (red).
-Figure 4: 54.4 (blue) and 27 (green) --> 54.4 (blue), and
HF}(green)
-Figure 5: The blue data points --> The black data points
-L157: the blue points --> the black points
-L158: the pink band --> the red band
-L166: that satisfy --> and satisfy
-L166: add a reference for PYTHIA
-L167: B=0.5 T --> B = 0.5 T
-L169: The input heavy flavor electron --> The input e^{\rm
sample-L170: add a reference for FONLL
-L171: please define N_coll
-L173: in inclusive electron --in the inclusive electron
e^{\rm HF}-L176: from from PYTHIA --> from PYTHIA
-L178: sum for --> sum over
-L179: an average --> the average
-L183: upper-limit --> upper limit
-L185: v_2 of heavy flavor electrons (e^HF) --> v_2 of
previous-L187: and 200 GeV from previous publication --> and the
--> In200 GeV publication
-L187: The blue hatched --> The gray hatched
-L190: at similar collision energies [14, 23] --> at similar
collision energies, 200 and 62.4 GeV [14, 23]
-L191: much improved --> better
-L192: are sizable --> is sizable
-L193: at 1.2 < p_T < 2 GeV/c --> within 1.2 < p_T < 2 GeV/c
-L198: although --> even though
-L199: to sqrt{s_NN} = 200 GeV --> to 200 GeV
-L204: although --> however
-L206: experiment results --> experimental results
-L208: PHSD --> PHSD (parton-hadron string dynamics)
-L211: that is covered --> where is covered
-L218: In the PHSD (parton-hadron string dynamics) model
comparedthe PHSD model
-Figure 6: Heavy flavor electron --> Heavy-flavor electron
to previous data --> to the previous measurement
-Figure 7: compare with TAMU, and PHSD calculations -->
reference), towhereto the TAMU and PHSD calculations
-L222: PHSD model --> The PHSD model
-L235: The PYTHIA decayer generator --> The PYTHIA generator
-L237: follow the (m_T - m_0)/n_q scaling --> follow the
number-of-constituent-quark (NCQ) scaling, (m_T - m_0)/n_q,
m_T is ..., m_0 is... , and n_q is ... (or give a
collisions. Itthose of light hadrons ...
-L243: to those of light hadrons in Au+Au 54.4 GeV
hadronssuggests that the charm quark ... --> to those of light
e^HFand the charm quark
-L246: D^0 and e^HF --> D^0, and e^HF
-L248: phi and D^0 --> phi, and D^0
-L252: D^0 and e^HF --> D^0, and e^HF
-Figure 8: D^0 and heavy flavor electron e^HF --> D^0, and
Rev. Care statistical and systematic errors combined
--> are combined statistical and systematic uncertainties.
-L264: under predict --> underestimate
-L267: number-of-constituent-quark scaling --> NCQ scaling
-L274: interesting --> important (?)
-L275: and LHC. --> and the LHC.
Reference:
- all et al. should be {\it et al.}
- all (STAR) or (PHENIX) should be (STAR Collaboration) or
(PHENIX Collaboration)
- all issue numbers should be in bold, for example Phys.
calibration of71 (2005) --> Phys. Rev. C {\bf 71) (2005)
-L379: de/dx calibration of the star tpc --> dE/dx
(PHENIXthe STAR TPC
-L386: A. Adare, S. Afanasiev ... --> A. Adare et al.
(PHENIXCollaboration)
-L392: author = ??? Move authors to the beginning
-L400: A. Adare, S. Afanasiev ... --> A. Adare et al.
(PHENIXCollaboration)
-L427: A. Adare, S. Afanasiev ... --> A. Adare et al.
paper<jiyj AT rcf.rhic.bnl.gov>Collaboration)
-L439: S(NN)**(1/2) looks strange , 200-GeV --> 200 GeV
-L442: gev au-au collisions --> GeV Au-Au collisions
-L463: 083c01 ???
Cheers,
Yi
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Yi Yang, Associate Professor
Department of Physics
National Cheng Kung University
Tainan, 701 Taiwan
E-Mail: yiyang AT ncku.edu.tw
Tel: +886-6-2757575 ext.65237
Fax: +886-6-2747995
Group Web: http://phys.ncku.edu.tw/~yiyang [2] [2] [1]
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On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 2:19 AM Yuanjing Ji
wrote:
Dear convenors and all,
Here is a gentle reminder. The NPE v2 at 54.4 and 27 GeV
presentationsdraft has
been ready for PWG review for about two weeks.
The website is located at:
https://www.star.bnl.gov/protected/heavy/jiyj/NPEweb
The links to the paper draft, analysis note, past
are all
included on the website.
Direct link to the paper draft can be found at:
https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/NPE_v2_27_54_note_v1.pdf
Direct link to the analysis note can be found at:
https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/HFE_v2_at_27_and_54_4_Au_Au_Collisions_v1.pdfelectron v2
Your comments and suggestions are highly welcome.
Regards,
Yuanjing for PAs
On 2021-05-28 11:20, Yuanjing Ji via Star-hf-l wrote:
Hi all,
Please find the first paper draft for Heavy flavor
at 27
and 54 GeV at:
https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/system/files/NPE_v2_27_54_note_v1.pdf
The analysis note:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://phys.ncku.edu.tw/*yiyang__;fg!!P4SdNyxKAPE!R8oGSQDkKyRP8Nr3lKLpwz-g4GQ3pLDDq4jojdWDyyU5Od3KAgiWnTvqPDwWtXyhfd7UCw$
The website:
https://www.star.bnl.gov/protected/heavy/jiyj/NPEweb
Comments and suggestions are highly welcome.
Best
Yuanjing
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