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Re: [Star-hp-l] Reminder -- p+Au EA/UE/Hard Probe paper draft
- From: Nihar Sahoo <nihar AT rcf.rhic.bnl.gov>
- To: David Stewart <0ds.johnny AT gmail.com>, STAR HardProbes PWG <star-hp-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
- Subject: Re: [Star-hp-l] Reminder -- p+Au EA/UE/Hard Probe paper draft
- Date: Tue, 09 May 2023 19:16:32 +0530
Hello PAs,
Glad to see this analysis at this stage.
I tried to go through the paper draft and analysis note.
I know this paper draft will go through multiple review process (hp pwg-GPC-Collab) in coming days and my comments are probably zero-th stage now.
Please find my comments on your paper draft and AN below.
Paper draft:
$pp$ -> $p+p$ make consistent thought out the paper as $p$+A
L18-20: "These include high-pT hadrons and, in the case of this publication, jets (refer to Section II)." It reads awkward in this 1st para. Better to introduce the topic with out mentioning "…n the case of this publication, jets (refer to Section II)." L26: "…with other matter throughout …" -> you have not discussed yet what is matter?
L24-30: Too big and complicate complicate sentence. Please break it.
L32: "measurements of √sNN = 200GeV d+Au collisions have provided an important connecting role …" Here it reads like we are measuring "√sNN = 200GeV d+Au collisions". That is not true. Rephrase like "At STAR, jet measurements at √sNN = 200 GeV in d+Au collisions provide important information of cold nuclear matter …" something like this.
L36-39: "In this publication, we present measurements from √sNN = 200 GeV p+Au collisions provided by RHIC in 2015 and measured at STAR." Unclear and redundant sentence.
L39: Specifically, -> No needed.
L41: high-η -> so far "η" is not defined ; same for φ_{}
2nd para: "we present…" and "we report" are used in multiple instants. Please try to rephrase at then end what "we present/report …" in this paper.
L52: "To first order, hard scatterings result in azimuthally back-to-back, pT-balanced dijet pairs. " It reads this is a collection of words; please make a sentence. L54-60: This sentence needs work. Syntax doesn't read well.
L63-67: Rephrase this sentence and provide reference to PHENIX, ATLAS, ALICE, CMS measurements.
L67-68 and all bullets: No need to summarize what we observed in p/d/He^3 collisions. It would be better to emphasize what we try to measure in this publication and what is our current understanding pertaining to it.
Overall, I think this introduction section needs work to be precise and coherent.
At the end of this section, we need a paragraph mentioning a brief overview of other sections.
Section- II.A
L89: "…provided sNN = 200GeV p+Au collisions…" -> …provided p+Au collisions data at sNN = 200 GeV in 2015." (No need to write May and June)
L91: "This publication reports collisions measured by STAR (Solonoid Tracker at RHIC). Events were selected and measured using the following STAR sub-detectors." -> Make it one sentence. Otherwise drop it as it is not adding any info here.
L100: (> 30 GeV/c)…(poor pT resolution),-> better to avoid this style of writing. Explicitly mention this in one sentence.
L107: "…20 hits in the TPC …" -> "…charged-tracks with at least 20 hits…"
L113-115: "The BEMC calorimeter measures principally photons from π0 decays and, in less abundance, interactions from charged hadrons." -> "The BEMC calorimeter measures the energy deposition of electromagnetically interacting particles."
L115-118:"Only calorimeter hits with transverse energy projections (ET) within the selected pT range ([0.2,30] GeV) were considered in this analysis." Not sure what does it want to say. L118-121: For reader, what are "bad online" and "hot towers" ?
L122:" …tracks and towers are combined …" -> "…tracks and towers are clustered …" ; "R = 0.4 resolution parameter." -> a resolution parameter R=0.4.
L136: "STAR selected minimum bias (MB) collision events triggered online by the Vertex …" -> "The minimum bias (MB) events are selected using the Vertex …"
L141: "…at least 2.5 GeV. " -> is the BHT1 or BHT0 trigger used in this analysis?
L143: "HT events is raised to 4GeV as an offline event cut" -> however In "main_AN_v0.pdf" L196, offline cut is used ET > 8 GeV and In "AN_vv_v0.pdf" L24: ET>4 GeV is used. Please make it consistent or explain.
L146: "STAR’s interaction point, " -> is it center of the TPC? [same for L164]
L154: "(PU)…(tracks not resulting from particles involved in the collision being measured) " this is important for this paper so mention it in a separate sentence.
L162: "triggered collision" what is triggered collisions?
L165: "Second, Vz was required… VPD… to the TPC" Please mention why we need this second condition for selecting events? For example to reduce pile up events, … etc.
L170: "reports on measurements from 3.7 mil- lion MB and 135 million HT collisions. " -> This sentence doesn't mention what do we report? What observables and why?
L173: "High-backward rapidity " provide eta range.
L195: φUE and φlead are not defined.
L193: "… . in MB events, however, …" -> "…in MB events. However, …"
Section-II.B
L202: "Detector track efficiency and acceptance are …" -> "The TPC tracking efficiency within a given acceptance is …" L215: "using pp relative weightings is small" -> mention what is that number is ?
L219-222: "After correcting for the tracking efficiency, the average number of tracks in the TPC increases by about 0.5 tracks (…)" -> "Increase by about 0.5 tracks " depending on EA or lumi. not clear. L222: "This increase is attributed to pileup tracks …" why it is the only possibility? Due to high lumi, efficiency drops that doesn't mean due to pileup tracks. Am I misunderstood?
L232: "zero-bias (randomly triggered) events" -> Not clear if it is embedded in "zero-bias" p+p or p+A events?
zero-bias events are not "randomly triggered" event? It is without (hence zero) any detector condition.
Question: if it is pp zero-bias, then how do you implement pAu event background fluctuations while unfolding the jet spectrum?
L33: PYTHIA6 level particles -> "Generated level PYTHIA-6 particles…" ; "the simulated track and tower responses " -> the GEANT3 level simulated track and tower responses …"
Additional comments: please mention what is the jet matching efficiency in pAu ? And what about JER and JES.
L259-262: "Note that there are no jets in the pT range of the reported… unity". Not clear, please rephrase or explain here.
Section: II.D
L277-279: "The shape of the azimuthal distribution between the leading and subleading jets" -> Mention how do you normalize this distribution. Define what is A_phi? I think it is certainly not "Aφ ≡ |φlead − φsub|) "?
L289-290: "This justifies the presentation of detector-level Aφ and AJ distribution ratios as meaningful." -> this is true for ratios. For Fig.7 and 8, But for upper panel plots the shapes are not corrected and may not help for any theory comparison in future study. This is a weak point of this paper and Referee/Collaboration will be critic of it.
L323-326: " While this publication focuses on correlations with EA_BBC, given its monotonicity with EA_UE, there is no physical preference for one definition of EA over the other. " I think we should give preference to one of EA definitions (probably here EA_BBC) and that should be decided how well we can discriminate the EA classes. For example in centrality definition, we decide based on centrality resolution. Similarly we need to mention why we choose EA_BBC and based on what? See my comment below on this topic.
L328: the lowest and highest 30% in MB define the ranges of EALow and BBC EA_High , respectively (see Sec. II A 3). And cf. Fig.1 -> 30%, 40%, 30% labels are not clear.
In this section.III.A , we need to have a discussion on this EA_BBC definition, how well we can discriminate different event classes. i.e. is there any overlap of events between EA_BBC^High and EA_BBC^low classes?
section.III.B:
L341: "…plotted in Fig. 3 for ten ranges of EABBC. " and Fig.3 -> As I mentioned above, it is difficult using EA_BBC we can really divide 10 EA classes as shown in Fig,3. There must be large fraction of events overlapping adjacent EA_BBC bins.
In this section, it is not clear why we have Fig.3? What do we learn from this fig? And why do we have 10 ranges of EA_BBC?
section.III.C:
L352: "while Fig. 3 suggests that the underlying event is anti-correlated with increasingly energetic triggers." Not clear how do we draw this statement from Fig.3? What I can see that within uncertainty all three HT trigger cases are consistent with MB. Am I missed anything?
L363: "i.e. |φtower −φjet | > (180◦ −Rjet ). " Please correct it. 180-Rjet?
Section.III.D
L402: and withing -> and within
L405: jets will fall outside -> jets fall outside L409 and L411 don't say anything about the reason of this suppression. This suppression discussion sounds like incomplete and hastily stopped at this point.
Section.III.E
L452: Definition of A_phi is different from phi difference. See Fig.7 upper panel Y-axis title.
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Comments on Figures:
General: Make x-, Y-axis title and label clearly visible and make font size of legend/title/label bigger.
Put "STAR" in every figure.
Fig-3: Y-axis title in d^2 , "2" is missing. Please increase this size of this figure. Fig-7: Make Y-axis log scale so that each data point can be visible
Fig.6: Y-axis title, should it be d^2N/dpT dphi?
Fig.6, 7, 8,: Mention System, energy in legend
In Fig7 and 8 caption: "Cuts on the lower bounds of pT,jet and psub are indicated in captions." Not sure what "caption"?
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General comment: Can you please add these two analysis notes into one so that it would be easy for the reader?
main_AN_v0.pdf
1. Can you please work on the proper alignment of figures in this AN? It looks awkward.
2. Section. 3.2: in p+Au events, eta-distribution is not uniform (flat) at mid rapidity. Have you checked the difference between EA_TPC for both the configurations like p-going side and Au-going sides eta-distributions and what is the difference between EA_TPC?
3. Fig.9 and 10: put Y-axis title; In caption:"The mean values of each EA definition in bins of the other EA definition are also plotted."- > This is event-by-event of 2D histogram. Then not sure "the mean value of each EA… are also plotted" Can you please clarify? "Statistical errors on the mean are shown." -> No stat. Errors are shown.
4. IN fig 9 and 10: no mean values are plotted, I think. Please use correct plots.
5. Section 3.3: " Correlation Between EA_BBC and EA_TPC " -> But in the texts you mention EA_UE. So far you have not introduced EA_UE?
6. Fig.16,18, 20, 37, 38,39,40,43,44,45,46,47,52: No data shown in this plot. Please use correct plot. Check also other.
Best
Nihar
On 2023-04-28 12:10, David Stewart via Star-hp-l wrote:
Hi all,
This is just a reminder in the middle of the flood of QM work/emails
that the draft and analysis notes for our p+Au EA vs UE vs jet paper
are posted on the paper webpage here [1] and that we are ready and
waiting for GPC formation.
Thanks,
David Stewart
Postdoctoral Fellow | Department of Physics, Wayne State University
Links:
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[1] https://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/blog/djs232/Paper-EA-and-UE-Corrs-High-Q2-Events-pAu-sNN200-GeV-Collisions-STAR
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