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[Ziyue Zhang <zzhan70 AT uic.edu>]

Hello Nihar, Rongrong and all,

Sorry for not being responsive this time. I have been on vacation for my family affairs since the end of January.

To Rongrong

I don't think there's a specific reason to rule out this Run09 data point, other than if the chi2 test is not satisfactory.

Run09 has HT0 and HT3 data: HT0 2-10 GeV/c, HT3 7-14 GeV/c, with 7-10 GeV/c being the overlap.

For a good reason, the paper used the HT3 result for the overlap pt range.

In my combination, the problematic pt bin is 6-7 GeV/c, which is the last HT0 made into the final result, but in the middle of HT0 covered pt range.

I was under the impression that this was the first HT3 bin and maybe the trigger efficiency estimation was biased, but as you can see this is untrue. So no reason to drop it.

PS: I don't quite understand why you quote 3.5 sigma here. I'm naively thinking the number of sigma is the solution to Erf(x/sqrt(2))=1-p, where p is the p value from the chi2 test 0.029. (x ~ 2.2)

In reply to Nihar's new suggestion:

Thank you for putting so much effort in discussing this topic.

For p+p yield, I've shown the results in the slides. Besides, p+p alone won't tell much physics message

For RpAu, as I have explained to you previously, if no data point is removed, the 2 approaches only differ in the uncertainties. 

The -2 approach will only make the uncertainty larger and thus make the physics message, if any, less persuasive. I believe we have agreed on that with -1 approach, there's no need to reject any points

Given that, would you reconsider the necessity of looking into -2 approach?

Best,

Ziyue

On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 9:54 PM Nihar Sahoo via Star-hp-l <star-hp-l AT lists.bnl.gov> wrote:

Hello Rongrong and Ziyue,

I understand the purpose of combining different runs to get better
precision.
But I was thinking to combine all available years' data points following
standard procedure without thinking much of the outcomes.

To Ziyue: could you please share two versions of the plot using
approach-1 and -2? Mainly nuclear modification and also pp spectra plots
with these two approaches. Just to see if there is any strong physics
message can be drawn (based on these two approaches) or not.

Let me know know what do you guys think.

Thank you
Nihar






On 2024-01-26 19:14, Ma, Rongrong wrote:
> Hello Nihar, All
>
> If I can comment on this, using approach-2 seems to defeat the purpose
> of combining different data sets since the errors on the combined
> results are larger than some individual data sets in some bins. It is
> not clear why one wants to combine if the error bars get bigger.
>
> In terms of approach-1, if we believe in Run-9 data, then we should
> just combine it as usual. If there is a good reason not to trust it,
> then we should probably correct it. I agree 3.5sigma is extremely
> rare, but it does not mean it can never happen.
>
> Best
> Rongrong
>
>> On Jan 26, 2024, at 1:35 AM, Nihar Sahoo via Star-hp-l
>> <star-hp-l AT lists.bnl.gov> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Ziyue,
>>
>> Thank you for this exercise, an important one to combine multiple
>> runs.
>>
>> After listening yesterday's your presentation and discussion
>> recording, as i suggested it would be good if you adopt your
>> approach-2 (slide#5). There is no reason to completely exclude
>> particular data point of Run9.
>> If the uncertainty gets bigger for that bin after combining all runs,
>> that is Ok.
>>
>> If you agree, then please circulate your final plot after combining
>> all pp Runs.
>> And  I understand you want to finalise your results soon.
>> Please let us know what is your plan.
>>
>> Best
>> Nihar
>>
>> On 2024-01-25 08:45, Ziyue Zhang via Star-hp-l wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>> I'd like to present the update on the dielectron J/psi production
>>> RpAu
>>> at 200 GeV. Please find the slides here:
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>>>> Gabe
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