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[Maxim Potekhin <potekhin AT bnl.gov>]

Hi Dmitry,

Nested folders never seemed like a good idea. Instead, just one-level
folders improve the efficacy of searches (in Thunderbird) quite 
dramatically.

Maxim


On 10/21/21 9:37 AM, Dmitry Arkhipkin wrote:
> Hi Maxim,
>
> Gmail has tags, which serve as a top-level folder if you like. Say, I 
> have "Torre" and "Jerome" tag folders in Gmail ;) I tried using deeply 
> nested subfolders in Thunderbird, but that quickly becomes 
> unmanageable, and I have long abandoned that idea. So, "search, don't 
> sort" definitely works better for me.
>
> Regarding SSH tunnels and VPN - in the past month there were two 
> temporary issues with SSH tunnels (on the RCF side), and one VPN issue 
> (on ITD side). In comparison, I had two temporary issues with Gmail 
> since 2005(!). Also, I can use gmail on my laptop _and_ on my phone 
> with no extra steps. Convenient.
>
> Even better if you consider user authentication for BNL 
> apps/interfaces - it is extremely easy to use Gmail authn + local 
> authz in apps, and most users are already used to seeing the 
> "authenticate with Google account" button. Solves the issue of "should 
> I use ITD auth or RCF auth or third-party auth" completely for our zoo 
> of apps. Single sign-on with zero effort right out of the box.
>
> -Dmitry
>
> On 2021-10-21 09:16, Maxim Potekhin wrote:
> > Hi Dmitry,
> >
> > The Roundcube web client is less than perfect for sure. I prefer
> > Thunderbird which
> > is solid and has decent search capabilities.
> >
> > And so I'm using SSH tunnels on both Ubuntu and Windows machines
> > which I do not find cumbersome, not even a little bit.
> >
> > It's easy to define an alias and then type it a short command, it's
> > all automatic.
> >
> > I never liked Gmail e.g. lack of normal folders, and I've heard same
> > from others.
> >
> > Maxim
> >
> >
> > On 10/21/21 9:06 AM, Dmitry Arkhipkin wrote:
> > > Looks like yet another reason to use Gmail instead of SDCC-hosted 
> > > email service, IMHO. My other reasons: Roundcube web interface is 
> > > lacking proper email search (hangs on "body" search) and has a buggy 
> > > android app, while thunderbird (or another local mail client) 
> > > requires an SSH tunnel or VPN to work - very cumbersome.
> > >
> > > -Dmitry
> > >
> > > On 2021-10-21 08:55, Maxim Potekhin via Phys-npps-members-l wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > Since this may be important I took the liberty of forwarding this
> > > > e-mail from Chris.
> > > >
> > > > Maxim
> > > >
> > > > -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > > >
> > > >          SUBJECT:
> > > >          email server certificate renewed
> > > >
> > > >          DATE:
> > > >          Wed, 20 Oct 2021 23:48:29 -0400
> > > >
> > > >          FROM:
> > > >          pinkenburg <pinkenburg AT bnl.gov>
> > > >
> > > >          REPLY-TO:
> > > >          PHENIX Current Participants <phenix-p-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
> > > >
> > > >          TO:
> > > >          PHENIX Current Participants <phenix-p-l AT lists.bnl.gov>,
> > > > sphenix-l AT lists.bnl.gov <sphenix-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
> > > >
> > > > Hi folks,
> > > >
> > > > sdcc renewed the mail server certificate today - which basically means
> > > > clients like thunderbird stopped receiving mail without notice. Upon
> > > > restart or if you ask for new messages you get prompted about a new
> > > > certificate (claiming it's not valid), make an exception for it and
> > > > you should be back in business.
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > > -- *************************************************************
> > > >
> > > > Christopher H. Pinkenburg    ;    pinkenburg AT bnl.gov
> > > >                 ;    http://www.phenix.bnl.gov/~pinkenbu
> > > >
> > > > Brookhaven National Laboratory    ;    phone: (631) 344-5692
> > > > Physics Department Bldg 510 C    ;    fax:   (631) 344-3253
> > > > Upton, NY 11973-5000
> > > >
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