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  • From: Brett Viren <bv AT bnl.gov>
  • To: Torre Wenaus via Phys-npps-mgmt-l <phys-npps-mgmt-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
  • Cc: "Alexander, Francis" <falexander AT bnl.gov>, Meifeng <mlin AT bnl.gov>, Aschenauer Elke-Caroline <elke AT bnl.gov>, "Pleier, Marc-Andre" <mpleier AT bnl.gov>, "Begel AT bnl.gov" <mbegel AT gmail.com>
  • Subject: Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] BNL HEP AI/ML vision draft for your comments
  • Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 09:55:29 -0400

Hi Torre,

This is perhaps a bad idea given the reality of slide 3 but....

Is it beneficial to express some "BNL AI/ML strategy"? Especially if it
sets us apart from the unwashed masses?

It is widely recognized (and seems to be a recent trending Internet
meme) that one should first exhaust "conventional" ways to extract
information from data before applying AI/ML. Use accrued domain
knowledge to wisely guide application of AI/ML.

This is a strategy our group has adhered to strongly for the LArTPC work
while our other neutrino LArTPC AI/ML friends prefer to throw data at
the GPU and see what slides off.

I feel it is the right strategy, but it goes against funding trends
where real thinking is being discounted in favor of the artificial type.

So, again, maybe a bad suggestion....


Otherwise, I think the slides are good.

-Brett.

Torre Wenaus via Phys-npps-mgmt-l <phys-npps-mgmt-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
writes:

> Hi all,
>
> The next monthly discussion between DOE HEP and BNL HEP on Oct 1 will
> address AI/ML. I’ll give a short talk, along the
> lines of recent 5min ones at the Science Council and AI/ML working group
> kickoff, but a bit longer so some time for
> examples to flesh out the generic statements. The working group kickoff
> version of the slides is at 
>
>    
> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/15ElWnNopunK86wijlWd78yNjWfJDw-ckX_EEoaTUuAA/edit#slide=id.geaae160bb5_0_0
>  
>
> (The DOE talk will for sure not have slide 3.)
>
> The basis for the DOE slides will be an update of a draft BNL HEP AI/ML
> vision 2-pager I wrote a few months ago at
> Dmitri’s request, the main difference in the update being the incorporation
> of examples.
>
> Here is the updated version, your comments/corrections (by the end of the
> week if you can!) would be much appreciated.
>
>   
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/11fnQxO4Az23ADQQBhIXv2B-fxOhzOLunj4WnXtz3ioE/edit?usp=sharing
>  
>
>   Torre
>
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