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Re: [Sphenix-magnet-l] Fwd: Babar coil without end caps
- From: Achim Franz <afranz AT bnl.gov>
- To: EdwardOBrien <eobrien AT bnl.gov>
- Cc: sphenix-magnet-l AT lists.bnl.gov
- Subject: Re: [Sphenix-magnet-l] Fwd: Babar coil without end caps
- Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 15:38:50 -0400
Ed,
if you have no end-plugs it creates larger radial field components that
create these excess forces and yes its the shear strength between the mandrel
and the coils epoxy. For fs- and e-PHENIX this might be an issue.
The 1.37T agrees with Wuzheng's calculations …
> On Mar 26, 2015, at 15:00 , EdwardOBrien <eobrien AT bnl.gov> wrote:
>
> Hi John, Kin,
> I'd like to make sure that I understand this.
> In Pasquale's answers to Kin's questions
> he wrote:
>
> 8) The compressing force of 380 MT can be held by the coil
> (about 10 MPa compression)
>
> 9) The effect of type, size and position of iron tips shall be
> carefully evaluated.
>
> 10) Without iron tip the radial field at the coil ends
> increases, causing an increase of the axial force.
> During the factory test (without yoke) we limited the
> field to 1/3 of the nominal field. For this coil it is better
> not overcome 20 MPa axial pressure on coil.
>
> Now he has written that the compressive force w/o
> the endcaps increase the compressive fore by 85%.
> Do I interpret this to mean that at BaBar the coil operated
> with a 10 MPa compressive axial force and that w/o the pole tips
> we will be operating with something 85% higher, or 18.5 MPa?
>
> If so we are approaching the the 20MPa axial pressure he warned
> us not to exceed.
>
> Also do you understand what sets the 20 MPa threshold? Is
> that the shear strength of the epoxy connection between the
> coil and the mandrel?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ed
>
>
> On 3/26/2015 1:43 PM, John Haggerty wrote:
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: Babar coil without end caps
>> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 18:30:13 +0100
>> From: fabbric <Pasquale.Fabbricatore AT ge.infn.it>
>> To: John Haggerty <haggerty AT bnl.gov>, Yip, Kin <kinyip AT bnl.gov>
>> CC: Mills, James A <mills AT bnl.gov>, Than, Yatming (Roberto) <ythan AT bnl.gov>
>>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> I did a fast computation with Comsol removing the
>> end caps (indeed I put to 1 the magnetic permeability).
>>
>> At the same current the central magnetic field is reduced from 1.5 T
>> to 1.37 T and it is more inhomogeneous.
>> The peak field on the conductor seems to
>> be a bit higher and placed at the coil
>> axial ends (so the current cannot be increased
>> or we have a reduced stability margin).
>> The axial compression increases of 85%
>> (i.e. a bit less than double).
>>
>> My first impression is that this solution could be considered
>> if you can accept a reduced magnetic field.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Pasquale
>>
>>
>>
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[Sphenix-magnet-l] Fwd: Babar coil without end caps,
John Haggerty, 03/26/2015
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Re: [Sphenix-magnet-l] Fwd: Babar coil without end caps,
EdwardOBrien, 03/26/2015
- Re: [Sphenix-magnet-l] Fwd: Babar coil without end caps, Achim Franz, 03/26/2015
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Re: [Sphenix-magnet-l] Fwd: Babar coil without end caps,
EdwardOBrien, 03/26/2015
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