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Re: [Sphenix-tracking-l] Wierd MVTX residual distributions
- From: Anthony Frawley <afrawley AT fsu.edu>
- To: "sphenix-tracking-l AT lists.bnl.gov" <sphenix-tracking-l AT lists.bnl.gov>, Hugo Pereira Da Costa <hugo.pereira-da-costa AT cea.fr>
- Subject: Re: [Sphenix-tracking-l] Wierd MVTX residual distributions
- Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 16:12:36 +0000
Hi All,
I attach plots of (cluster z - truth z) and (cluster z error) for the MVTX layers. These are made from some pp with pileup files that I made a few days ago. The sigma is about 6 microns, as expected, in the first plot, and the mean value of the error is 6 microns
in the second plot.
There is evidently a problem with the residual calculation. But I am puzzled by the observation from Christof that the error assigned by the MVTX clusterizer is 2.6 microns. That is not what I see in the cluster error histogram.
Tony
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Subject: Re: [Sphenix-tracking-l] Wierd MVTX residual distributions
Hi Christof,
These numbers do look small indeed (at most 2um)
Last time I looked (a long time ago, in 2020), the residuals where more
around 5um (all sizes included) (see plot attached)
I tried to look at the QA plots (e.g.
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://nbviewer.org/github/sPHENIX-Collaboration/QA-gallery/blob/jenkins-sPHENIX-test-tracking-low-occupancy-qa-2207-test-tracking_Event1000_Sum16/QA-Mvtx.ipynb__;!!P4SdNyxKAPE!F75K0bmn-hbMcsFeIvPKt82oxMU5ewYVpTmBqVfZs15PYCyUne7TebreJ2QYw1MQV_iJHQtTALmoj4PlgbsfVLxzMFu42Cm_nWUnQx9Yhg$ )
but we can't read the x axis there ... Not very useful, something that
we should fix ...
Hugo
On 6/17/22 01:40, Christof Roland via sPHENIX-tracking-l wrote:
> Hi Everybody,
>
> i am in the process of producing the new error parameterizations so we can swith to TrkrClusterv4.
>
> Looking at the MVTX residuals I see distibutions that are way to narrow, as far as I understand.
> Here is a list of the observed RMS of the residual (cluster phi position - track phi position) distribution.
> There is the residual with respect to the truth track and the reco track as well as the a selection for cluster width in phi ==1 or bigger than one.
>
> truth layer 0 phisize = 1 RMS: 0.000122
> truth layer 0 phisize > 1 RMS: 0.000164
> truth layer 1 phisize = 1 RMS: 0.000090
> truth layer 1 phisize > 1 RMS: 0.000126
> truth layer 2 phisize = 1 RMS: 0.000072
> truth layer 2 phisize > 1 RMS: 0.000102
> trk layer 0 phisize = 1 RMS: 0.000133
> trk layer 0 phisize > 1 RMS: 0.000143
> trk layer 1 phisize = 1 RMS: 0.000110
> trk layer 1 phisize > 1 RMS: 0.000123
> trk layer 2 phisize = 1 RMS: 0.000124
> trk layer 2 phisize > 1 RMS: 0.000134
>
> In general we see a residual width fo ~1.2 micron. The error assigned by the MVTX clusterizer is ~2.6 micron.
> How is this possible? the pixel pitch of the MVTX is ~30um and the intrisic resolution according to ALICE specs should be ~5um.
> Especially for phi size = 1 clusters we should see something like 30/sqrt(12) ~ 9um
>
> Does anybody have an idea how to make sense of this?
>
> Thanks
>
> Christof
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These numbers do look small indeed (at most 2um)
Last time I looked (a long time ago, in 2020), the residuals where more
around 5um (all sizes included) (see plot attached)
I tried to look at the QA plots (e.g.
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://nbviewer.org/github/sPHENIX-Collaboration/QA-gallery/blob/jenkins-sPHENIX-test-tracking-low-occupancy-qa-2207-test-tracking_Event1000_Sum16/QA-Mvtx.ipynb__;!!P4SdNyxKAPE!F75K0bmn-hbMcsFeIvPKt82oxMU5ewYVpTmBqVfZs15PYCyUne7TebreJ2QYw1MQV_iJHQtTALmoj4PlgbsfVLxzMFu42Cm_nWUnQx9Yhg$ )
but we can't read the x axis there ... Not very useful, something that
we should fix ...
Hugo
On 6/17/22 01:40, Christof Roland via sPHENIX-tracking-l wrote:
> Hi Everybody,
>
> i am in the process of producing the new error parameterizations so we can swith to TrkrClusterv4.
>
> Looking at the MVTX residuals I see distibutions that are way to narrow, as far as I understand.
> Here is a list of the observed RMS of the residual (cluster phi position - track phi position) distribution.
> There is the residual with respect to the truth track and the reco track as well as the a selection for cluster width in phi ==1 or bigger than one.
>
> truth layer 0 phisize = 1 RMS: 0.000122
> truth layer 0 phisize > 1 RMS: 0.000164
> truth layer 1 phisize = 1 RMS: 0.000090
> truth layer 1 phisize > 1 RMS: 0.000126
> truth layer 2 phisize = 1 RMS: 0.000072
> truth layer 2 phisize > 1 RMS: 0.000102
> trk layer 0 phisize = 1 RMS: 0.000133
> trk layer 0 phisize > 1 RMS: 0.000143
> trk layer 1 phisize = 1 RMS: 0.000110
> trk layer 1 phisize > 1 RMS: 0.000123
> trk layer 2 phisize = 1 RMS: 0.000124
> trk layer 2 phisize > 1 RMS: 0.000134
>
> In general we see a residual width fo ~1.2 micron. The error assigned by the MVTX clusterizer is ~2.6 micron.
> How is this possible? the pixel pitch of the MVTX is ~30um and the intrisic resolution according to ALICE specs should be ~5um.
> Especially for phi size = 1 clusters we should see something like 30/sqrt(12) ~ 9um
>
> Does anybody have an idea how to make sense of this?
>
> Thanks
>
> Christof
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[Sphenix-tracking-l] Wierd MVTX residual distributions,
Christof Roland, 06/17/2022
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Re: [Sphenix-tracking-l] Wierd MVTX residual distributions,
Hugo Pereira Da Costa, 06/17/2022
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Re: [Sphenix-tracking-l] Wierd MVTX residual distributions,
Anthony Frawley, 06/17/2022
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Re: [Sphenix-tracking-l] Wierd MVTX residual distributions,
Christof Roland, 06/20/2022
- Re: [Sphenix-tracking-l] Wierd MVTX residual distributions, Hugo Pereira Da Costa, 06/20/2022
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Re: [Sphenix-tracking-l] Wierd MVTX residual distributions,
Christof Roland, 06/20/2022
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Re: [Sphenix-tracking-l] Wierd MVTX residual distributions,
Anthony Frawley, 06/17/2022
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Re: [Sphenix-tracking-l] Wierd MVTX residual distributions,
Hugo Pereira Da Costa, 06/17/2022
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