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Dear All,

maybe you missed this but the tubes which have been selected by Yi are leaking, Rahul and Bob and others have done tests and test.

So this tubes might be compatible with NOVAC and rad hard, but they leak. 

So they are not useable as they are.

The non-flexible ones are no suitable to be put on the modules. 

So this is a tube, which was used with NOVAC and is suggested for use with it. But the problem is using NOVAC and using plastic tubes instead of stainless steal.

We cannot make changes now, so using a hose whcih is flexible and not leaking is an improvement. It is not obvious one needs to change them every year, this depends on the leakage rate. So please submit only constructive suggestions how to resolve the leakage problem.

Elke

On May 27, 2021, at 17:08, Visser, Gerard <gvisser AT indiana.edu> wrote:

Maybe. I don't know, not a judgement I can make. It sounds better to use a novec-resistant tubing.

By the way, all this cooling business is not my worry but in these pictures including the latest it _appears_ that the tubing is inserted too far over the "hose barb" on module. I don't understand why it would be done like that and it looks wrong to me, But it is hard to really judge from afar.

     Gerard

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From: Xu Sun <sunxuhit AT gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 5:03 PM
To: Visser, Gerard <gvisser AT indiana.edu>
Cc: L Star-fst <star-fst-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
Subject: Re: [Star-fst-l] FST cooling tube leak : We might have a solution

 

Hi Gerard,

That's a good question, but I don't have any answer right now.

We will need to see how the test goes and also need input from Rahul and Bob.

But it was used in PHENIX for some time, maybe it's fine?

Best,

Xu

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 4:57 PM Visser, Gerard <gvisser AT indiana.edu> wrote:

hi Xu,

   In such case, don't we have to worry about the resulting contamination "plating out" elsewhere in the system and causing trouble?

    Gerard

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From: Star-fst-l <star-fst-l-bounces AT lists.bnl.gov> on behalf of Xu Sun <sunxuhit AT gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 4:51 PM
To: videbaek <videbaek AT bnl.gov>
Cc: Star-fst L <star-fst-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
Subject: Re: [Star-fst-l] FST cooling tube leak : We might have a solution

 

Hi Flemming,

Bob and Rahul told us the novec will eat up the materials and the leaking rate will increase with time.

Best,

Xu

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 4:48 PM videbaek <videbaek AT bnl.gov> wrote:

Hi

Did Rob indicate the rationale for exchange every year. Possible Rad 
damage ?
It would be good to know.

best F.


On 2021-05-27 16:37, Zhenyu Ye wrote:
> This is good news, indeed.
> 
> If it works, it would solve our problem for the upcoming Run.
> But it also brings a new potential issue, that we need to replace the
> cooling tubes every year.
> If we can avoid it, it will be the best.
> 
> Zhenyu
> 
>> On May 27, 2021, at 2:33 PM, Tribedy, Prithwish <ptribedy AT bnl.gov> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> We have good news to share with you. With a new kind of tube that was 
>> previously used by Phenix, we might have a solution to our leak 
>> problem. We need to do more tests, but I think this is a good 
>> progress.
>> 
>> Remember we had the following issues:
>>      • The hard tubes were very stiff, bending radius was large but had 
>> less leak.
>>      • The soft tubes had major leaks between layers.
>> A solution came after Bob/Rahul contacted Robert Pisani from Phenix. 
>> From them we got this third type: Tygon 2001 plasticizer free" tubes.
>> 
>> With our pressurized air setup, we see NO LEAKS. No more bubbles with 
>> soap.
>> 
>> Also, it's much cheaper. It costs like $2.5 c per ft (compared to 
>> $20-80 for the previous soft tube we were using).
>> According to PHENIX experts, they should be replaced once every year 
>> -- I think that is feasible.
>> 
>> So, we'll get 25 ft of these tubes tomorrow and this way we have the 
>> full weekend to do the testing.
>> If things look good in next couple of days and no leaks are found‚ WE 
>> MIGHT HAVE A SOLUTION.
>> 
>> We will keep you updated.
>> Best,
>> Yu, Xu and Prithwish
>> 
>> 
>> Prithwish Tribedy
>> Physics Department, Brookhaven National Laboratory
>> Upton, NY 11973, USA
>> Phone: 631-344-8904, 631-344-3853
>> E-mail: ptribedy AT bnl.gov
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