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From: Gustaaf Brooijmans <gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu>
To: Elliot Lipeles <lipeles AT hep.upenn.edu>
Cc: Mark Kruse <mkruse AT phy.duke.edu>, Michael Tuts <tuts AT pmtuts.net>, "usatlas-hllhc-l2deputymgmt-nsf-l AT lists.bnl.gov" <usatlas-hllhc-l2deputymgmt-nsf-l AT lists.bnl.gov>, "usatlas-hllhc-management-l AT lists.bnl.gov" <usatlas-hllhc-management-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
Subject: Re: [Usatlas-hllhc-l2deputymgmt-nsf-l] [Usatlas-hllhc-management-l] [External] FW: questions
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 15:47:06 +0200

Ok with me, modulo typo at the end: "in projects"

On 8/29/19 3:45 PM, Elliot Lipeles wrote:

How is this...

Answer: The HTT plan relies significantly more on scientific labor largely to include students and postdocs in the project. Approximately 2/3rds of the HTT firmware effort is scientific labor. The GEP plan does not to use students and postdocs to write firmware but only engages them in testing and simulation. This division is part of the history of how the institutes have involved scientific labor in project.

Elliot

On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 9:29 AM Gustaaf Brooijmans <gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu <mailto:gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu>> wrote:

>> > The key point is "for training purposes". That is the primary
>> reason
>> > it's done this way.
>>
>> The obvious follow-up is: why do we train people on HTT and not
>> global
>> algorithms?
>>
>>
>> Yes, but I don't really have an answer to that. Global does
>> involve/train students but only for simulation and testing work.
It is
>> really driven by the history of the institutes involved. Do we
really
>> need to justify that kind of decision? His question really comes
from
>> an assumption about what students vs engineers do.
>
> Maybe just remove “for the training purposes”. Without that the
current
> version of answer will simply state two WBSs use different labor
> categories but have no indications about their qualification.
>

The problem with that is that you're just repeating the fact that
led to
the question.

Best,

Gustaaf

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