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Re: [Usatlas-hllhc-l2deputymgmt-nsf-l] [Usatlas-hllhc-management-l] [External] FW: questions

From: Elliot Lipeles <lipeles AT hep.upenn.edu>
To: Gustaaf Brooijmans <gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu>
Cc: Mark Kruse <mkruse AT phy.duke.edu>, Michael Tuts <tuts AT pmtuts.net>, "usatlas-hllhc-l2deputymgmt-nsf-l AT lists.bnl.gov" <usatlas-hllhc-l2deputymgmt-nsf-l AT lists.bnl.gov>, "usatlas-hllhc-management-l AT lists.bnl.gov" <usatlas-hllhc-management-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
Subject: Re: [Usatlas-hllhc-l2deputymgmt-nsf-l] [Usatlas-hllhc-management-l] [External] FW: questions
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 09:51:59 -0400

Okay in the google doc

On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 9:48 AM Gustaaf Brooijmans <gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu> wrote:

Ok with me, modulo typo at the end: "in projects"

On 8/29/19 3:45 PM, Elliot Lipeles wrote:
> How is this...
>
> Answer: The HTT plan relies significantly more on scientific labor
> largely to include students and postdocs in the project. Approximately
> 2/3rds of the HTT firmware effort is scientific labor. The GEP plan does
> not to use students and postdocs to write firmware but only engages them
> in testing and simulation. This division is part of the history of how
> the institutes have involved scientific labor in project.
>
> Elliot
>
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 9:29 AM Gustaaf Brooijmans
> <gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu <mailto:gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu>> wrote:
>
>
>
> >> > The key point is "for training purposes". That is the primary
> >> reason
> >> > it's done this way.
> >>
> >> The obvious follow-up is: why do we train people on HTT and not
> >> global
> >> algorithms?
> >>
> >>
> >> Yes, but I don't really have an answer to that. Global does
> >> involve/train students but only for simulation and testing work.
> It is
> >> really driven by the history of the institutes involved. Do we
> really
> >> need to justify that kind of decision? His question really comes
> from
> >> an assumption about what students vs engineers do.
> >
> > Maybe just remove “for the training purposes”. Without that the
> current
> > version of answer will simply state two WBSs use different labor
> > categories but have no indications about their qualification.
> >
>
> The problem with that is that you're just repeating the fact that
> led to
> the question.
>
> Best,
>
> Gustaaf
>

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Als sie mich holten,
gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte.

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