NPPS Leadership Team

[Torre Wenaus <wenaus AT gmail.com>]

Hi Paul, 

"We have a strong record of retaining exceptional talent." I like it, I will try it next time, thanks!

  Torre

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 9:54 PM Laycock, Paul <laycock AT bnl.gov> wrote:

Hi Torre,

Thanks, that all makes sense but somehow the statement “We have a good record…” needs to be evident in the posting, which I’m sure needs careful wording if there is no immediate funding line, but I think it should be done for such a position.  "We have a strong record of retaining exceptional talent" should be a statement that HR can get behind, and introduces a suitable shade of grey to the otherwise black and white of “2 years and then you leave”.  Your “career interest” would have been read by me as preferred experience, it doesn’t say anything about the possibility of retention.

I’ll shut up ;) Good luck with the hire !

Paul

On Oct 29, 2019, at 04:33, Torre Wenaus <wenaus AT gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Paul,
HR asked Hong whether it's a 2 year term and Hong said yes (Jamie also emphasised this). Which is why I made a point of putting in "the preferred candidate will have a career interest in scientific software development" to try to convey we're not looking at it just as a 2 year thing if the person is good. We have a good record of keeping good people whatever the initial hire terms were. In the future I will ask to see the actual posting before it goes out, so we can at least correct things like no contact person given! And massage any term language if we can. Good point that the term langage could deter not only experience but diversity also. Right now there are two candidates, and a third (very good Chris says) who hasn't applied because he can't relocate to BNL (from ORNL) for personal reasons, and we told him that would (obviously) factor into candidate selection. Having seen the other candidates we're now strongly encouraging the ORNL candidate to apply.
  Torre

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 2:22 PM Paul James Laycock via Phys-npps-mgmt-l <phys-npps-mgmt-l AT lists.bnl.gov> wrote:

Just a comment on the job posting:

https://jobs.bnl.gov/job/upton/postdoctoral-researcher-on-sphenix-offline-software/3437/13626530

It's nice and reads like you want an experienced person.  Great!  But then the final sentence says it's a two-year term position.  There is no mention of "with possibility of extension subject to blah blah".  Maybe there is no long term perspective (really?) but if there is then I think it should be explicitly mentioned in the posting.  Asking a first post-doc to relocate for a two year position is maybe fine, asking someone with more experience (and more concerns, maybe a partner, a family)... less obvious, and potentially more of an issue for women than men if we want to consider our approach to diversity.

Paul

P.S.  I would have ignored this posting based on that statement, others may contact us... except there is no contact name let alone an email address in the job posting.

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