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Re: [Sphenix-maps-l] MAPS-based Vertex Detector (MVTX) pre-proposal - v1.2
- From: Spencer Klein <srklein AT lbl.gov>
- To: "Ming Liu (ming AT bnl.gov)" <ming AT bnl.gov>, leo greiner <lcgreiner AT lbl.gov>
- Cc: "sphenix-l AT lists.bnl.gov" <sphenix-l AT lists.bnl.gov>, sphenix-maps-l <sphenix-maps-l AT lists.bnl.gov>, phenix-team <p25henp-l AT lanl.gov>
- Subject: Re: [Sphenix-maps-l] MAPS-based Vertex Detector (MVTX) pre-proposal - v1.2
- Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 11:54:20 -0800
Ming:
The email is helpful, but lacking on specifics. I completely understand the desirability of getting the budget under $5M. My questions were about the feasibility of doing so.
How much additional uncosted labor is assumed, and what skill level is required? What institutions have committed to providing this labor? As I noted earlier, the gap between promises and reality was a huge issue during STAR TPC construction.
Regarding "reducing LANL hourly rate by using contracted labor," will LANL commit to those rate?
I am sorry to be asking all these critical questions, but I want to make sure that our promises are realistic.
Spencer
On 2/2/17 13:43, Ming Liu (ming AT bnl.gov) wrote:
Hi Spencer and all,
You raised the right questions. Here is a reply from Dave Lee this
morning, detailing about the updated cost and schedule to Leo, somehow the
reply didn’t go through the list. Hope this email can help people to
better understand the changes. As we discussed it at LBNL last week, we
are asked to keep the total project cost under $5M.
Cheers,
Ming
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Hi Leo,
Let me reply and Ming can provide further. As a backdrop I had a long
conversation with Ed O'Brien concerning the MVTX project and strategy.
The cost of new projects with the ONP has implications as to how the
funding route would be. For projects >$5M the project does not go through
the CD process but does become part of the OMB budget process and
therefore is at least a 2 year process. For projects <$5M the project is
funded directly from the ONP without being in the OMB budget process and
thus can be approved internal to the ONP much sooner. By trimming the
budget to less than $5M we hope a much more favorable outcome from the
late February DOE-NP will occur. To achieve these savings we have trimmed
resources across the project by using more uncosted or less expensive
labor, moving some integration tasks to BNL engineers outside of the
project, moving part of the LANL design efforts on global integration to
BNL, reducing LANL hourly rate by using contracted labor, reducing travel
expenses by ~20%, and by reducing some durations so that we meet Ed's
start installation date of 2/2021. Nothing drastic was done to any
activity or procurement cost. Hope this helps
Dave
David M Lee. Ph.D
MS H846
tel: 505 667-8888
Fax: 505 6665-7920
Cell 505 690-4820
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[Sphenix-maps-l] MAPS-based Vertex Detector (MVTX) pre-proposal - v1.2,
Ming Liu (ming AT bnl.gov), 02/01/2017
- Re: [Sphenix-maps-l] MAPS-based Vertex Detector (MVTX) pre-proposal - v1.2, Huang, Jin, 02/01/2017
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Re: [Sphenix-maps-l] MAPS-based Vertex Detector (MVTX) pre-proposal - v1.2,
leo greiner, 02/02/2017
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Re: [Sphenix-maps-l] MAPS-based Vertex Detector (MVTX) pre-proposal - v1.2,
Ming Liu (ming AT bnl.gov), 02/02/2017
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Re: [Sphenix-maps-l] MAPS-based Vertex Detector (MVTX) pre-proposal - v1.2,
Spencer Klein, 02/02/2017
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Re: [Sphenix-maps-l] MAPS-based Vertex Detector (MVTX) pre-proposal - v1.2,
Ming Liu (ming AT bnl.gov), 02/02/2017
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Re: [Sphenix-maps-l] MAPS-based Vertex Detector (MVTX) pre-proposal - v1.2,
Spencer Klein, 02/02/2017
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Re: [Sphenix-maps-l] MAPS-based Vertex Detector (MVTX) pre-proposal - v1.2,
Ming Liu (ming AT bnl.gov), 02/02/2017
- Re: [Sphenix-maps-l] MAPS-based Vertex Detector (MVTX) pre-proposal - v1.2, Gunther M Roland, 02/02/2017
- Re: [Sphenix-maps-l] MAPS-based Vertex Detector (MVTX) pre-proposal - v1.2, Gunther M Roland, 02/02/2017
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Re: [Sphenix-maps-l] MAPS-based Vertex Detector (MVTX) pre-proposal - v1.2,
Ming Liu (ming AT bnl.gov), 02/02/2017
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Re: [Sphenix-maps-l] MAPS-based Vertex Detector (MVTX) pre-proposal - v1.2,
Spencer Klein, 02/02/2017
- Re: [Sphenix-maps-l] MAPS-based Vertex Detector (MVTX) pre-proposal - v1.2, David Lee, 02/02/2017
- Re: [Sphenix-maps-l] [Sphenix-l] MAPS-based Vertex Detector (MVTX) pre-proposal - v1.2, Edward O'Brien, 02/08/2017
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Re: [Sphenix-maps-l] MAPS-based Vertex Detector (MVTX) pre-proposal - v1.2,
Ming Liu (ming AT bnl.gov), 02/02/2017
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Re: [Sphenix-maps-l] MAPS-based Vertex Detector (MVTX) pre-proposal - v1.2,
Spencer Klein, 02/02/2017
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Re: [Sphenix-maps-l] MAPS-based Vertex Detector (MVTX) pre-proposal - v1.2,
Ming Liu (ming AT bnl.gov), 02/02/2017
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