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Re: [Sphenix-run-l] Fwd: [request for input] sPHENIX crossing angle with PP in Run24
- From: Anthony Frawley <afrawley AT fsu.edu>
- To: Alexander Bazilevsky <shura AT bnl.gov>, "sphenix-run-l AT lists.bnl.gov" <sphenix-run-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
- Subject: Re: [Sphenix-run-l] Fwd: [request for input] sPHENIX crossing angle with PP in Run24
- Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 14:41:00 +0000
Hello Stefan,
This seems like a very important question that we should make sure to get right.
What is at stake here? Do we have guidance from CAD on crossing angle vs maximum luminosity?
Thanks
Tony
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Subject: Re: [Sphenix-run-l] Fwd: [request for input] sPHENIX crossing angle with PP in Run24
Hi Stefan,
Ralf has calculations of the expected impact of the cross angle on polarization. I haven't seen any calculations like that from STAR people. So, they are talking qualitatively (yes, the effect may be there), but we are talking quantitatively (the effect is small).
I think Ralf may give more details and/or correct my understanding.
Sasha.
Ralf has calculations of the expected impact of the cross angle on polarization. I haven't seen any calculations like that from STAR people. So, they are talking qualitatively (yes, the effect may be there), but we are talking quantitatively (the effect is small).
I think Ralf may give more details and/or correct my understanding.
Sasha.
On 9/18/23 10:09 AM, Stefan Bathe wrote:
Hi All,
Please see Kiel’s message below. I don’t feel qualified to answer this by myself. So I’m asking for input. But I’d like to turn this around within 24 h.
I think the answer to the question why we are not concerned about running polarized protons with a crossing angle is quantitative: in principle it’s a concern, but quantitatively we think we can live with it. But I don’t know what the actual evidence is.
I think there’s no reasonable chance we’d switch to a zero crossing angle except in a disaster scenario (luminosity so low that we don’t need a crossing angle; or no tracking).
Best,Stefan
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From: "Hock, Kiel" <khock AT bnl.gov>
Subject: sPHENIX crossing angle with PP in Run24
Date: September 18, 2023 at 09:20:48 EDT
To: "stefan.bathe AT baruch.cuny.edu" <stefan.bathe AT baruch.cuny.edu>, "Bathe, Stefan" <bathe AT bnl.gov>
Cc: "Fischer, Wolfram" <wfischer AT bnl.gov>, "Minty, Michiko" <minty AT bnl.gov>, "Schoefer, Vincent" <schoefer AT bnl.gov>, "Gu, Xiaofeng" <xgu AT bnl.gov>
* This email originates from a sender outside of CUNY. Verify the sender before replying or clicking on links and attachments. *Hi Stefan,
To support intensities at RHIC above 2.1e11 protons/bunch, a crossing angle at sPHENIX is needed.
Is there a reason why sPHENIX is not concerned about having a crossing angle for polarized protons where STAR is?Is there a possibility that sPHENIX will change to a zero crossing angle during the run, which would limit the maximum intensity?
Thank you,
Kiel
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[Sphenix-run-l] Fwd: [request for input] sPHENIX crossing angle with PP in Run24,
Stefan Bathe, 09/18/2023
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Re: [Sphenix-run-l] Fwd: [request for input] sPHENIX crossing angle with PP in Run24,
Alexander Bazilevsky, 09/18/2023
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Re: [Sphenix-run-l] Fwd: [request for input] sPHENIX crossing angle with PP in Run24,
Anthony Frawley, 09/18/2023
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Re: [Sphenix-run-l] Fwd: [request for input] sPHENIX crossing angle with PP in Run24,
Yip, Kin, 09/18/2023
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Re: [Sphenix-run-l] [request for input] sPHENIX crossing angle with PP in Run24,
Stefan Bathe, 09/18/2023
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Rosi Reed, 09/19/2023
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Re: [Sphenix-run-l] Fwd: [request for input] sPHENIX crossing angle with PP in Run24,
Yip, Kin, 09/19/2023
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Re: [Sphenix-run-l] [request for input] sPHENIX crossing angle with PP in Run24,
Stefan Bathe, 09/18/2023
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Re: [Sphenix-run-l] Fwd: [request for input] sPHENIX crossing angle with PP in Run24,
Yip, Kin, 09/18/2023
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Anthony Frawley, 09/18/2023
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