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[John Parsons <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu>]

Thanks, I will take a look.

On 11/4/19 9:22 AM, Andy Haas wrote:
> See attached.
> Best, Andy.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 1:18 AM Xu, Hao <haoxu AT bnl.gov 
> <mailto:haoxu AT bnl.gov>> wrote:
>
>     Hi John and Hong,
>     Please check attached the draft BCP form for DOE-023.
>     Your comments and suggestions are welcome.
>
>     Regards,
>
>     Hao
>
>
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>     *Subject:* Re: [Usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l] Fwd: Re: AP2 LAr 6.04 BCPs
>     DOE-023 and NSF-1102
>
>     Hi Andy and Hao,
>
>              I need the BCP forms by lunchtime Monday
>     at the latest.  Let me know when I should expect
>     to receive them from you.
>
>                      John
>
>     On 11/1/19 11:40 AM, John Parsons wrote:
>     > 
>     > Andy and Hao need to fill out the BCP forms.  Please do this right
>     > away, since we need to get the approval on Tuesday.
>     > 
>     >          John
>     > 
>     > 
>     > -------- Forwarded Message --------
>     > Subject: Re: AP2 LAr 6.04 BCPs DOE-023 and NSF-1102
>     > Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 10:48:00 +0100
>     > From: Gustaaf Brooijmans <gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu 
> <mailto:gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu>>
>     > To: John Parsons <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu 
> <mailto:parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu>>,
>     Novakova, Penka N
>     > <penka AT bnl.gov <mailto:penka AT bnl.gov>>, OConnor, Jennifer
>     <jennifer AT bnl.gov <mailto:jennifer AT bnl.gov>>
>     > CC: Hong Ma <hma AT bnl.gov <mailto:hma AT bnl.gov>>
>     > 
>     > 
>     > Hi,
>     > 
>     > Great.  Can you have the L3 managers fill out the BCP forms?  Here's the 
>     > latest template.
>     > 
>     > Best,
>     > 
>     > Gustaaf
>     > 
>     > On 10/31/19 8:57 PM, John Parsons wrote:
>     >>
>     >> Hi all,
>     >>
>     >>      Apart from some very minor things that do not
>     >> need to be changed now, I have not found nor heard
>     >> from my LAr team of any other issues with the current version.
>     >> So, I consider that these two BCPs (ie. one for DOE and
>     >> one for NSF) are ready to move ahead next week.
>     >>      Regards,
>     >>          John
>     >>
>     >> On 10/29/19 5:04 PM, John Parsons wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>> Hi Penka,
>     >>>
>     >>>      Thanks for the help.  I do believe it will be worth
>     >>> some effort to evolve the new format so that it does include
>     >>> the milestones.  For example, in LAr, all of our links between
>     >>> separate L3s, including within one funding agency but also
>     >>> between DOE and NSF, are implemented via (REQD and AVAIL)
>     >>> milestones; if those are missing in a report, it is difficult
>     >>> to follow the logic about how one L3 might be driving another, ...
>     >>>      We are reviewing the latest version to verify
>     >>> that all the changes we have made are doing what we
>     >>> expect, and hope to be ready for next week's CCB.  I
>     >>> will update you by COB on Thursday.
>     >>>      Regards,
>     >>>          John
>     >>>
>     >>> On 10/29/19 1:11 PM, Novakova, Penka N wrote:
>     >>>> John,
>     >>>> The pdf report has all activities and milestones that have been 
>     >>>> changed. It is definitely easier to review your change in the pdf - 
>     >>>> it shows how the dates have moved. Please call me or Jenn and we can 
>     >>>> walk you through the schedule.
>     >>>> My philosophy is that the CAMs should be able to read their 
>     >>>> schedules (not spreadsheets) and understand what changes they have 
>     >>>> requested and how these changes impact the schedules of other CAMs. 
>     >>>> Perhaps we need to train them but this is critical for the success 
>     >>>> of the project.
>     >>>> I have made a report with all activities and milestones - it took me 
>     >>>> a while to generate it. Again remember that in the scrubbing report 
>     >>>> you don't see the number of hours by resource and many CAMs have 
>     >>>> complained about this. Therefore we decided to move to a new format 
>     >>>> that will have this information but does not show activities without 
>     >>>> resources (milestones).
>     >>>> We will try to make this report with milestones in the future but I 
>     >>>> cannot guarantee that it will be available right after the change is 
>     >>>> complete.
>     >>>> Let me know if you have any questions.
>     >>>> Thanks,
>     >>>> penka
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>> -----Original Message-----
>     >>>> From: John Parsons <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu 
> <mailto:parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu>>
>     >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 11:19 AM
>     >>>> To: OConnor, Jennifer <jennifer AT bnl.gov <mailto:jennifer AT bnl.gov>>; 
> Novakova, Penka N
>     >>>> <penka AT bnl.gov <mailto:penka AT bnl.gov>>
>     >>>> Cc: Gustaaf Brooijmans <gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu 
> <mailto:gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu>>
>     >>>> Subject: Re: AP2 LAr 6.04 BCPs DOE-023 and NSF-1102
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Our previous Scrubbing Reports had all the tasks; why is that no 
>     >>>> longer possible?  It is much simpler to check a single file, rather 
>     >>>> than having to cross-check back and forth between two different files.
>     >>>>
>     >>>>         John
>     >>>>
>     >>>> On 10/29/19 7:41 AM, OConnor, Jennifer wrote:
>     >>>>> Hi John -
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> You are correct, the scrubbing report does not contain all 
>     >>>>> activities.  That is because this report comes from Cobra data and 
>     >>>>> we do not have milestones or activities with no resources in Cobra. 
>     >>>>> The PDF is a complete schedule showing all activities.  Both need 
>     >>>>> to be used to compare BCP changes.
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Please let me know if you need any help comparing the changes we 
> made.
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Kind regards,
>     >>>>> Jenn
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>     >>>>> From: John Parsons <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu 
> <mailto:parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu>>
>     >>>>> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 11:50 AM
>     >>>>> To: Novakova, Penka N <penka AT bnl.gov <mailto:penka AT bnl.gov>>; 
> OConnor, Jennifer
>     >>>>> <jennifer AT bnl.gov <mailto:jennifer AT bnl.gov>>
>     >>>>> Cc: Gustaaf Brooijmans <gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu 
> <mailto:gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu>>; Hal
>     Evans
>     >>>>> (hgevans AT indiana.edu <mailto:hgevans AT indiana.edu>)
>     <hgevans AT indiana.edu <mailto:hgevans AT indiana.edu>>; Kotcher, Jonathan
>     >>>>> <kotcher AT bnl.gov <mailto:kotcher AT bnl.gov>>
>     >>>>> Subject: Re: AP2 LAr 6.04 BCPs DOE-023 and NSF-1102
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> There seem to be some problems with this report.  Among the 
>     >>>>> modifications I made with Jenn last week were logic changes around 
>     >>>>> task BEE10680 (ATLAS FDR); now that task does not even seem to 
>     >>>>> appear in the new report!  This is also true for some nearby tasks.
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Maybe all the milestones are missing?
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>         John
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>
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