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[pinkenburg <pinkenburg AT bnl.gov>]

Hi folks,

I think the EIC effort is a lot better served by someone working on algorithms (rich ring finding comes to mind) and realistic eic related detector implementations rather than getting involved in this strange community reconstruction which is the solution for everything but has only been boxes/bubbles on slides since its inception many years ago.

I would like to hear the details of how this can be implemented (in detail) and why it's so much better before committing to this.

Just my 2c

Chris

On 7/9/2019 4:52 PM, Alexander Kiselev via Phys-npps-mgmt-l wrote:

  Torre,

I like the direction...

  great! Then why don't we follow it? :-)

EIC software: Needs some dedicated effort now to leverage BNL software strengths, the effort level rising over time as sPHENIX directed effort transitions to EIC; EIC software is a strategic
investment feeding directly into BNL leadership in detector development and EIC science 

  this edition still sounds like there is no EIC software around other than what can be grown out of sPHENIX one. Let me put it straight: in year
one will "EIC postdoc" be encouraged to do *anything* EIC-related, which is not at the same time sPHENIX-bound? Like helping adapt EicRoot to the community reconstruction environment?

  Thank you,
    Alexander.

  Torre

On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 4:26 PM Alexander Kiselev <kisselev AT mail.desy.de> wrote:
         Hi Torre,

      > Hi Alexander,What I meant on slide 2 is that in terms of software funding and FTEs, EIC is in a real way a natural (and strategic :-) follow-on to sPHENIX. That's what the management
      has said: the
      > effort that we build up now, targeted primarily to sPHENIX, we can sustain beyond sPHENIX by directing it at EIC. I didn't mean piggy backing on sPHENIX software. Not sure how to
      reword it because
      > as I read it, it says what I mean! Suggestions welcome

         admittedly for me this bullet reads like there is no EIC software
      worth mentioning other than what follows from the sPHENIX effort.

         At the same time, I agree in general with everything written about
      sPHENIX & EIC interplay on slides 3-6.

         How about

         "A strategic follow-on to the ongoing EIC software development and
      sPHENIX effort, directly ..." ?

         Regards,
           Alexander.



      >   Torre
      >
      > On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 3:41 PM Alexander Kiselev <kisselev AT mail.desy.de> wrote:
      >          Hello colleagues,
      >
      >       > maybe it is worth pointing out that BNL is the only place where full GEANT4 based EIC detector simulations exist and therefore can provide the EIC community with the tools they
      have
      >       been asking for
      >
      >          I think at present only sPHENIX software qualifies to be called a
      >       complete GEANT4 simulation, suitable for EIC. EicRoot is a very
      >       vertasile EIC-oriented tracker development tool, and it has eRHIC-related
      >       IR description machinery, which is used to populate pCDR (and later on
      >       CDR) documents. The rest, to be honest, is more or less obsolete and/or
      >       not really supported.
      >
      >          Yet I think 'EIC Software' bullet on slide 2 should be somewhat
      >       "diversified". EIC software effort is clearly not limited to piggy
      >       back and/or follow on sPHENIX. This is obviously true for the current
      >       state. May also well be so for the future (in the unfortunate case
      >       JLAB wins the site selection or the Day One EIC collaboration decides
      >       to write its software from scratch or Jana-based framework developed
      >       by the EIC community grows into a great success, etc).
      >
      >          Cheers,
      >            Alexander.
      >
      >
      >
      >       > for the last few years and we should capitalize on this many years of investment. For Fun4All this goes up to forward jet reconstruction which in the plan proposed by JLab
      would be up
      >       to the users
      >       > to figure out and implement.
      >       >
      >       > Chris
      >       >
      >       > On 7/8/2019 3:02 PM, Torre Wenaus via Phys-npps-mgmt-l wrote:
      >       >       Here are draft program development slides for my 15min slot on Wed, comments appreciated   Torre
      >       >
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