NPPS Leadership Team

["Van Buren, Gene" <gene AT bnl.gov>]

Hi,

Following on Paul's comment, it does seem to me to be a bit much to ask for 5 
years of software development experience for a post-doc level position. Some 
PhD programs are shorter than 5 years, and the first couple years of PhD are 
often dominated by class work... so to me this experience qualification 
implies asking for someone looking for their second postdoc term.

-Gene


> On May 27, 2020, at 2:33 PM, Laycock, Paul via Phys-npps-mgmt-l 
> <Phys-npps-mgmt-l AT lists.bnl.gov> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Torre,
> Indeed, I'm happy my comments are being heard!  I think there's a mismatch 
> between the quality of individual described (and they have a great set of 
> skills) and the expectations of said individual.  I don't have any ideas 
> for how to fix that except to say that contract longevity rates highly and 
> such an individual would likely (?) have other options.  Not for this time 
> maybe, but stretching the funding to 3 years could look more attractive to 
> candidates, gives us a better look at them and gives us more time to find 
> funding lines when we have a person we really want to keep.  The funding 
> likely doesn't provide that flexibility but a big lab should be able to 
> make such things possible - I wonder how creative other labs are in that 
> regard?
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
>> On 27 May 2020, at 12:28, Torre Wenaus <wenaus AT gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Paul,
>> I was sensitive to that point (I knew you'd be on the lookout for it, and 
>> rightly so :-) This is why it contains
>> 
>> "an interest in scientific software development as a potential career path"
>> 
>> and
>> 
>> "The position will have an initial 2 year term, potentially extendable as 
>> funding permits."
>> 
>> I hesitate to add the 'excellent track record' point only because we are 
>> not necessarily fully in control of this one. The physics half could end 
>> up in Omega, and then it is 50% CSI, a total wildcard.
>> 
>>   Torre
>> 
>> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 12:16 PM Laycock, Paul <laycock AT bnl.gov> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I think this looks great.  My only comment is that a 2 year contract for a 
>> relocation to BNL for the relatively senior person described (5 years s/w 
>> experience) could be tough but I'm sure there's little you can do about 
>> that.  I wonder if adding a sentence on "excellent track record of 
>> retaining talent" could help make a direct association between the 
>> promised s/w career benefit and the future employer?
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>>> On 27 May 2020, at 11:45, Torre Wenaus via Phys-npps-mgmt-l 
>>> <Phys-npps-mgmt-l AT lists.bnl.gov> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not too late to get changes into the position description if you think of 
>>> important ones!
>>> 
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: Allen, Leesa <leesa AT bnl.gov>
>>> Date: Wed, May 27, 2020 at 10:01 AM
>>> Subject: New Hire Request - US ATLAS / CSI Postdoc
>>> To: Forestiero, Suzanne <sforestiero AT bnl.gov>, Colon, Christel 
>>> <ccolon AT bnl.gov>
>>> Cc: Ma, Hong <hma AT bnl.gov>, Wenaus,Torre J <wenaus AT bnl.gov>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Suzanne,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Please see the attached new job posting for a postdoc position for US 
>>> ATLAS and CSI under the direction of Torre Wenaus.  Please let me know 
>>> when to okay to enter in TAMS.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Leesa
>>> 
>>>  
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