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  • From: "Van Buren, Gene" <gene AT bnl.gov>
  • To: "Laycock, Paul" <laycock AT bnl.gov>
  • Cc: NPPS leadership team <Phys-npps-mgmt-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
  • Subject: Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Fwd: New Hire Request - US ATLAS / CSI Postdoc
  • Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 16:04:18 +0000

Hi,

Following on Paul's comment, it does seem to me to be a bit much to ask for 5
years of software development experience for a post-doc level position. Some
PhD programs are shorter than 5 years, and the first couple years of PhD are
often dominated by class work... so to me this experience qualification
implies asking for someone looking for their second postdoc term.

-Gene


> On May 27, 2020, at 2:33 PM, Laycock, Paul via Phys-npps-mgmt-l
> <Phys-npps-mgmt-l AT lists.bnl.gov> wrote:
>
> Thanks Torre,
> Indeed, I'm happy my comments are being heard! I think there's a mismatch
> between the quality of individual described (and they have a great set of
> skills) and the expectations of said individual. I don't have any ideas
> for how to fix that except to say that contract longevity rates highly and
> such an individual would likely (?) have other options. Not for this time
> maybe, but stretching the funding to 3 years could look more attractive to
> candidates, gives us a better look at them and gives us more time to find
> funding lines when we have a person we really want to keep. The funding
> likely doesn't provide that flexibility but a big lab should be able to
> make such things possible - I wonder how creative other labs are in that
> regard?
>
> Paul
>
>
>> On 27 May 2020, at 12:28, Torre Wenaus <wenaus AT gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Paul,
>> I was sensitive to that point (I knew you'd be on the lookout for it, and
>> rightly so :-) This is why it contains
>>
>> "an interest in scientific software development as a potential career path"
>>
>> and
>>
>> "The position will have an initial 2 year term, potentially extendable as
>> funding permits."
>>
>> I hesitate to add the 'excellent track record' point only because we are
>> not necessarily fully in control of this one. The physics half could end
>> up in Omega, and then it is 50% CSI, a total wildcard.
>>
>> Torre
>>
>> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 12:16 PM Laycock, Paul <laycock AT bnl.gov> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I think this looks great. My only comment is that a 2 year contract for a
>> relocation to BNL for the relatively senior person described (5 years s/w
>> experience) could be tough but I'm sure there's little you can do about
>> that. I wonder if adding a sentence on "excellent track record of
>> retaining talent" could help make a direct association between the
>> promised s/w career benefit and the future employer?
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>> On 27 May 2020, at 11:45, Torre Wenaus via Phys-npps-mgmt-l
>>> <Phys-npps-mgmt-l AT lists.bnl.gov> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not too late to get changes into the position description if you think of
>>> important ones!
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: Allen, Leesa <leesa AT bnl.gov>
>>> Date: Wed, May 27, 2020 at 10:01 AM
>>> Subject: New Hire Request - US ATLAS / CSI Postdoc
>>> To: Forestiero, Suzanne <sforestiero AT bnl.gov>, Colon, Christel
>>> <ccolon AT bnl.gov>
>>> Cc: Ma, Hong <hma AT bnl.gov>, Wenaus,Torre J <wenaus AT bnl.gov>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Suzanne,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please see the attached new job posting for a postdoc position for US
>>> ATLAS and CSI under the direction of Torre Wenaus. Please let me know
>>> when to okay to enter in TAMS.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Leesa
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> -- Torre Wenaus, BNL NPPS Group, ATLAS Experiment
>>> -- BNL 510A 1-222 | 631-681-7892 | wenaus AT gmail.com | npps.bnl.gov |
>>> wenaus.org
>>> -- NPPS Mattermost room:
>>> https://chat.sdcc.bnl.gov/npps/channels/town-square
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>>> .pdf><NPPS Postdoc
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>>
>>
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>> -- BNL 510A 1-222 | 631-681-7892 | wenaus AT gmail.com | npps.bnl.gov |
>> wenaus.org
>> -- NPPS Mattermost room:
>> https://chat.sdcc.bnl.gov/npps/channels/town-square
>
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