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Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?
- From: Kolja Kauder <kkauder AT gmail.com>
- To: Torre Wenaus <wenaus AT gmail.com>
- Cc: NPPS leadership team <phys-npps-mgmt-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
- Subject: Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?
- Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 11:07:03 -0500
One option would be to have him join every two weeks. A natural way is
to say, only after regular meetings, not tech focuses, or vice versa.
Just a thought.
On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 11:04 AM Torre Wenaus via Phys-npps-mgmt-l
<phys-npps-mgmt-l AT lists.bnl.gov> wrote:
>
> Without preempting further comments to come, Chris makes good points.
> Something to add to the table would be selectively inviting Doug to some
> leadership team discussions, or constituting the coordination team, even if
> it just leadership team + Doug (but that could wind up being more
> 'political')
> Torre
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 10:34 AM Alexei Klimentov via Phys-npps-mgmt-l
> <phys-npps-mgmt-l AT lists.bnl.gov> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I more than agree with Chris, Alexei
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2021, at 4:31 PM, pinkenburg via Phys-npps-mgmt-l
>> <phys-npps-mgmt-l AT lists.bnl.gov> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Torre,
>>
>> I think Doug is a real asset and I do expect that he will represent "our"
>> interest in sdcc. But he is part of sdcc and I think we all consider the
>> current direction of sdcc to be a serious problem (a problem where Doug
>> has zero influence to change anything). I do think we need a forum where
>> we can speak frankly about pushing the interest of NP and I don't think
>> you can expect Doug to work against the sdcc management (or better it
>> wouldn't be fair to him for us to expect this).
>>
>> But having meetings where Doug is present outside of the npps group
>> meeting where we can speak honestly about needs and issues would be very
>> useful.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> On 3/9/2021 10:07 AM, Torre Wenaus via Phys-npps-mgmt-l wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I'm regularly asked if RACF/SDCC is represented on the NPPS leadership
>> team. When I say no I'm sometimes asked why not. I think ideally there
>> would be good liaison connections in both directions. We have our standing
>> 'SDCC news' slot in the NPPS meeting, and regular attendance from several
>> SDCC people including Tony, but since NPPS was formed the 'natural
>> candidates' for liaison have not been advisable ones in my view. Now
>> perhaps that has changed with the arrival of Doug Benjamin in SDCC. He is
>> certainly a friend of NPPS, attends our meetings and group coffees of his
>> own volition, and sees it as a goal to increase collaboration between SDCC
>> and NPPS. He does have an earned bull-in-the-china-shop reputation, which
>> can be good or bad depending on the circumstances. He's driven by the
>> needs of experiments and users first and foremost.
>>
>> In the early days of NPPS planning we included a coordination team,
>> expanding beyond the leadership team to include a wider circle of
>> liaisons, but in practice this has seemed to me superfluous given the good
>> connections to experiments through the leadership team -- except we miss
>> the SDCC liaison that would surely be included in such a body.
>>
>> So finally to the point, I'm interested in your view on making Doug a
>> member of the NPPS leadership team. I'm undecided myself as to whether
>> it's a good idea, I will really appreciate your input. At this point all
>> leadership team members represent part of the activities and
>> responsibilities of NPPS. An SDCC rep would be different in nature as a
>> purely liaison role, but it could be useful to the experiments as well as
>> NPPS to have SDCC at the table, emphasising the role of the NPPS
>> leadership team as liaison to the experiments for a spectrum of S&C topics
>> that while focusing on software do touch on computing as well.
>>
>> Torre
>>
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[Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?,
Torre Wenaus, 03/09/2021
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Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?,
pinkenburg, 03/09/2021
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Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?,
Alexei Klimentov, 03/09/2021
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Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?,
Torre Wenaus, 03/09/2021
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Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?,
Kolja Kauder, 03/09/2021
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Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?,
Laycock, Paul, 03/09/2021
- Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?, Torre Wenaus, 03/09/2021
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Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?,
Laycock, Paul, 03/09/2021
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Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?,
Kolja Kauder, 03/09/2021
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Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?,
Torre Wenaus, 03/09/2021
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Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?,
Alexei Klimentov, 03/09/2021
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Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?,
Brett Viren, 03/10/2021
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Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?,
Laycock, Paul, 03/10/2021
- Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?, Brett Viren, 03/10/2021
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Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?,
Alexei Klimentov, 03/11/2021
- Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?, Torre Wenaus, 03/11/2021
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Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?,
Laycock, Paul, 03/10/2021
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Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?,
pinkenburg, 03/09/2021
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