NPPS Leadership Team

[Kolja Kauder <kkauder AT gmail.com>]

One option would be to have him join every two weeks. A natural way is
to say, only after regular meetings, not tech focuses, or vice versa.
Just a thought.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 11:04 AM Torre Wenaus via Phys-npps-mgmt-l
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>
> Without preempting further comments to come, Chris makes good points. 
> Something to add to the table would be selectively inviting Doug to some 
> leadership team discussions, or constituting the coordination team, even if 
> it just leadership team + Doug (but that could wind up being more 
> 'political')
>   Torre
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 10:34 AM Alexei Klimentov via Phys-npps-mgmt-l 
> <phys-npps-mgmt-l AT lists.bnl.gov> wrote:
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>> Hello,
>>
>>  I more than agree with Chris, Alexei
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2021, at 4:31 PM, pinkenburg via Phys-npps-mgmt-l 
>> <phys-npps-mgmt-l AT lists.bnl.gov> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Torre,
>>
>> I think Doug is a real asset and I do expect that he will represent "our" 
>> interest in sdcc. But he is part of sdcc and I think we all consider the 
>> current direction of sdcc to be a serious problem (a problem where Doug 
>> has zero influence to change anything). I do think we need a forum where 
>> we can speak frankly about pushing the interest of NP and I don't think 
>> you can expect Doug to work against the sdcc management (or better it 
>> wouldn't be fair to him for us to expect this).
>>
>> But having meetings where Doug is present outside of the npps group 
>> meeting where we can speak honestly about needs and issues would be very 
>> useful.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> On 3/9/2021 10:07 AM, Torre Wenaus via Phys-npps-mgmt-l wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I'm regularly asked if RACF/SDCC is represented on the NPPS leadership 
>> team. When I say no I'm sometimes asked why not. I think ideally there 
>> would be good liaison connections in both directions. We have our standing 
>> 'SDCC news' slot in the NPPS meeting, and regular attendance from several 
>> SDCC people including Tony, but since NPPS was formed the 'natural 
>> candidates' for liaison have not been advisable ones in my view. Now 
>> perhaps that has changed with the arrival of Doug Benjamin in SDCC. He is 
>> certainly a friend of NPPS, attends our meetings and group coffees of his 
>> own volition, and sees it as a goal to increase collaboration between SDCC 
>> and NPPS. He does have an earned bull-in-the-china-shop reputation, which 
>> can be good or bad depending on the circumstances. He's driven by the 
>> needs of experiments and users first and foremost.
>>
>> In the early days of NPPS planning we included a coordination team, 
>> expanding beyond the leadership team to include a wider circle of 
>> liaisons, but in practice this has seemed to me superfluous given the good 
>> connections to experiments through the leadership team -- except we miss 
>> the SDCC liaison that would surely be included in such a body.
>>
>> So finally to the point, I'm interested in your view on making Doug a 
>> member of the NPPS leadership team. I'm undecided myself as to whether 
>> it's a good idea, I will really appreciate your input. At this point all 
>> leadership team members represent part of the activities and 
>> responsibilities of NPPS. An SDCC rep would be different in nature as a 
>> purely liaison role, but it could be useful to the experiments as well as 
>> NPPS to have SDCC at the table, emphasising the role of the NPPS 
>> leadership team as liaison to the experiments for a spectrum of S&C topics 
>> that while focusing on software do touch on computing as well.
>>
>>    Torre
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