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Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?
- From: Alexei Klimentov <alexei.klimentov AT cern.ch>
- To: "Laycock, Paul" <laycock AT bnl.gov>
- Cc: Torre Wenaus via Phys-npps-mgmt-l <phys-npps-mgmt-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
- Subject: Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?
- Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 08:11:58 +0100
Hello Paul,
I am not sure it is a good idea to have Doug as meetings (co)Chair. I would
suggest we will wait a bit. We can discuss it tomorrow at the mgmt meeting
Cheers, Alexei
> On Mar 10, 2021, at 6:17 PM, Laycock, Paul via Phys-npps-mgmt-l
> <phys-npps-mgmt-l AT lists.bnl.gov> wrote:
>
> My reason for suggesting Doug to lead the meeting was to give Doug an
> opportunity to lay out an SDCC-mgmt approved agenda, which he would
> hopefully push to be as open as possible about. My issues with
> communication with SDCC have been trying to understand what they want so
> that we can identify the 80% win-win topics and focus on them. I have a
> feeling that the 20% difficult topics take up far more strategic time than
> they should, while the 80% is practically ignored for lack of communication.
>
> Paul
>
>> On 10 Mar 2021, at 17:43, Brett Viren via Phys-npps-mgmt-l
>> <phys-npps-mgmt-l AT lists.bnl.gov> wrote:
>>
>> Another "me too" for Chris's words.
>>
>> Especially with SDCC leaving the department (still, right?) it seems to
>> me it would be more weird to have them provide NPPS leadership than to
>> not.
>>
>> This has nothing to do with Doug as an individual. Until recently I've
>> never interacted much with him but so far I have nothing to complain
>> about (and I love complaining).
>>
>> I do like the idea of starting with ad-hoc meetings with SDCC
>> representation. If they become useful enough and there is enough to
>> discuss they could be made regular. I think it would be best that these
>> meetings are not "joint" but rather NPPS set the agendas.
>>
>> The Thursday SDCC liaison meetings can still give an outlet for SDCC to
>> push any agendas on the community.
>>
>> -Brett.
>>
>>
>> Torre Wenaus via Phys-npps-mgmt-l <phys-npps-mgmt-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
>> writes:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I'm regularly asked if RACF/SDCC is represented on the NPPS leadership
>>> team. When I say no I'm sometimes asked why not. I think ideally there
>>> would be good liaison connections in both directions. We
>>> have our standing 'SDCC news' slot in the NPPS meeting, and regular
>>> attendance from several SDCC people including Tony, but since NPPS was
>>> formed the 'natural candidates' for liaison have not been
>>> advisable ones in my view. Now perhaps that has changed with the arrival
>>> of Doug Benjamin in SDCC. He is certainly a friend of NPPS, attends our
>>> meetings and group coffees of his own volition, and sees
>>> it as a goal to increase collaboration between SDCC and NPPS. He does
>>> have an earned bull-in-the-china-shop reputation, which can be good or
>>> bad depending on the circumstances. He's driven by the
>>> needs of experiments and users first and foremost.
>>>
>>> In the early days of NPPS planning we included a coordination team,
>>> expanding beyond the leadership team to include a wider circle of
>>> liaisons, but in practice this has seemed to me superfluous given the
>>> good connections to experiments through the leadership team -- except we
>>> miss the SDCC liaison that would surely be included in such a body.
>>>
>>> So finally to the point, I'm interested in your view on making Doug a
>>> member of the NPPS leadership team. I'm undecided myself as to whether
>>> it's a good idea, I will really appreciate your input. At this
>>> point all leadership team members represent part of the activities and
>>> responsibilities of NPPS. An SDCC rep would be different in nature as a
>>> purely liaison role, but it could be useful to the experiments as
>>> well as NPPS to have SDCC at the table, emphasising the role of the NPPS
>>> leadership team as liaison to the experiments for a spectrum of S&C
>>> topics that while focusing on software do touch on computing
>>> as well.
>>>
>>> Torre
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[Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?,
Torre Wenaus, 03/09/2021
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Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?,
pinkenburg, 03/09/2021
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Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?,
Alexei Klimentov, 03/09/2021
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Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?,
Torre Wenaus, 03/09/2021
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Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?,
Kolja Kauder, 03/09/2021
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Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?,
Laycock, Paul, 03/09/2021
- Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?, Torre Wenaus, 03/09/2021
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Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?,
Laycock, Paul, 03/09/2021
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Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?,
Kolja Kauder, 03/09/2021
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Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?,
Torre Wenaus, 03/09/2021
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Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?,
Alexei Klimentov, 03/09/2021
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Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?,
Brett Viren, 03/10/2021
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Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?,
Laycock, Paul, 03/10/2021
- Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?, Brett Viren, 03/10/2021
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Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?,
Alexei Klimentov, 03/11/2021
- Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?, Torre Wenaus, 03/11/2021
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Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?,
Laycock, Paul, 03/10/2021
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Re: [Phys-npps-mgmt-l] Doug Benjamin on NPPS leadership team?,
pinkenburg, 03/09/2021
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