NPPS Leadership Team

[Alexei Klimentov <alexei.klimentov AT cern.ch>]

Hello Paul,

 I am not sure it is a good idea to have Doug as meetings (co)Chair. I would 
suggest we will wait a bit. We can discuss it tomorrow at the mgmt meeting

Cheers, Alexei


> On Mar 10, 2021, at 6:17 PM, Laycock, Paul via Phys-npps-mgmt-l 
> <phys-npps-mgmt-l AT lists.bnl.gov> wrote:
> 
> My reason for suggesting Doug to lead the meeting was to give Doug an 
> opportunity to lay out an SDCC-mgmt approved agenda, which he would 
> hopefully push to be as open as possible about.  My issues with 
> communication with SDCC have been trying to understand what they want so 
> that we can identify the 80% win-win topics and focus on them.  I have a 
> feeling that the 20% difficult topics take up far more strategic time than 
> they should, while the 80% is practically ignored for lack of communication.
> 
>       Paul
> 
>> On 10 Mar 2021, at 17:43, Brett Viren via Phys-npps-mgmt-l 
>> <phys-npps-mgmt-l AT lists.bnl.gov> wrote:
>> 
>> Another "me too" for Chris's words.
>> 
>> Especially with SDCC leaving the department (still, right?) it seems to
>> me it would be more weird to have them provide NPPS leadership than to
>> not.
>> 
>> This has nothing to do with Doug as an individual.  Until recently I've
>> never interacted much with him but so far I have nothing to complain
>> about (and I love complaining).
>> 
>> I do like the idea of starting with ad-hoc meetings with SDCC
>> representation.  If they become useful enough and there is enough to
>> discuss they could be made regular.  I think it would be best that these
>> meetings are not "joint" but rather NPPS set the agendas.
>> 
>> The Thursday SDCC liaison meetings can still give an outlet for SDCC to
>> push any agendas on the community.
>> 
>> -Brett.
>> 
>> 
>> Torre Wenaus via Phys-npps-mgmt-l <phys-npps-mgmt-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
>> writes:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I'm regularly asked if RACF/SDCC is represented on the NPPS leadership 
>>> team. When I say no I'm sometimes asked why not. I think ideally there 
>>> would be good liaison connections in both directions. We
>>> have our standing 'SDCC news' slot in the NPPS meeting, and regular 
>>> attendance from several SDCC people including Tony, but since NPPS was 
>>> formed the 'natural candidates' for liaison have not been
>>> advisable ones in my view. Now perhaps that has changed with the arrival 
>>> of Doug Benjamin in SDCC. He is certainly a friend of NPPS, attends our 
>>> meetings and group coffees of his own volition, and sees
>>> it as a goal to increase collaboration between SDCC and NPPS. He does 
>>> have an earned bull-in-the-china-shop reputation, which can be good or 
>>> bad depending on the circumstances. He's driven by the
>>> needs of experiments and users first and foremost.
>>> 
>>> In the early days of NPPS planning we included a coordination team, 
>>> expanding beyond the leadership team to include a wider circle of 
>>> liaisons, but in practice this has seemed to me superfluous given the
>>> good connections to experiments through the leadership team -- except we 
>>> miss the SDCC liaison that would surely be included in such a body.
>>> 
>>> So finally to the point, I'm interested in your view on making Doug a 
>>> member of the NPPS leadership team. I'm undecided myself as to whether 
>>> it's a good idea, I will really appreciate your input. At this
>>> point all leadership team members represent part of the activities and 
>>> responsibilities of NPPS. An SDCC rep would be different in nature as a 
>>> purely liaison role, but it could be useful to the experiments as
>>> well as NPPS to have SDCC at the table, emphasising the role of the NPPS 
>>> leadership team as liaison to the experiments for a spectrum of S&C 
>>> topics that while focusing on software do touch on computing
>>> as well.
>>> 
>>>  Torre
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