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[John Parsons <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu>]

Sure, but I don't see any point listing a later date.  As
you know, people are joining the f/w effort on Phase 1
even now.  So, at any time if funding becores available
for more f/w, we could find someone to do some work.  These
roles would be, presumably, less and less significant as
time passes before starting.  I would stick with the date
we have and just say a later decision would be possible
but lead to less impact.

On 9/12/19 6:52 AM, Gustaaf Brooijmans wrote:
> But for the firmware one could make a very late decision, no?  People 
> could still make useful contributions even if we started mid-2023.
>
> On 9/12/19 6:38 AM, John Parsons wrote:
> > I would say for LAr we already put the latest
> > dates that still make sense and are workable.
> >
> >          John
> >
> > On 9/11/19 10:51 PM, Hal Evans wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Here's an attempt at compiling the information about latest scope 
> > > opportunity dates. I'm still missing information here from LAr (if 
> > > the dates can't be shifted, then please just let me know).
> > >
> > > For scope contingency, I would argue that the dates we provided are 
> > > already the latest possible.
> > >
> > > Finally, for Question 10 (the 5 major technical requirements), we've 
> > > made a good start, but I suspect that George will want to see two 
> > > pieces of information for each listed requirement.
> > > 1. whether it has been demonstrated completely or partially by 
> > > existing prototypes
> > > 2. where in the QA/QC document its verification shows up
> > >
> > > Most of you have answered the first of these questions, but not the 
> > > second. It would be good if we could add that.
> > >
> > > Cheers  -  Hal
> > >
> > > On 9/11/19 10:02 PM, Gustaaf Brooijmans wrote:
> > > > This message was sent from a non-IU address. Please exercise caution 
> > > > when clicking links or opening attachments from external sources.
> > > > -------
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Ok, let's sleep on it, and see what Hal thinks as well.
> > > >
> > > > Gustaaf
> > > >
> > > > On 9/11/19 9:57 PM, Elliot Lipeles wrote:
> > > > > Hi Gustaaf,
> > > > >
> > > > > I do also worry about that. If things go wrong, it could be 
> > > > > necessary to respin, more likely problems will be that some links 
> > > > > don't achieve the required speed, which wouldn't derail the work at 
> > > > > the start of the MREFC.
> > > > >
> > > > > I choose the Global because if we have 5 groups writing firmware 
> > > > > and then the framework is changed significantly that could cause a 
> > > > > lot of rework.
> > > > >
> > > > > Elliot
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 9:49 PM Gustaaf Brooijmans 
> > > > > <gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu <mailto:gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu>> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >     Hi Elliot,
> > > > >
> > > > >     Thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > >     Hal and I discussed the "worries" earlier and we though for 
> > > > > trigger the
> > > > >     obvious one was the HTT demonstrator.  It's not submitted for 
> > > > > fab yet,
> > > > >     it's more complex than what the same people have built before, 
> > > > > so it's
> > > > >     likely to slip.  Do you not worry about that?
> > > > >
> > > > >     Best,
> > > > >
> > > > >     Gustaaf
> > > > >
> > > > >     On 9/11/19 9:33 PM, Elliot Lipeles wrote:
> > > > >      >
> > > > >      >
> > > > >      > Here are the text answers for trigger + slides...
> > > > >      >
> > > > >      > 1. Descope/upscope items - please provide both
> > > > >     preferred/scheduled and
> > > > >      > need-by dates...
> > > > >      >
> > > > >      > Descope HTT can be decided up to the production orders July 
> > > > > 2023.
> > > > >      >
> > > > >      > Upscope gFEX algorithm Q4 2022
> > > > >      > Upscope Global algorithms Q1 2025
> > > > >      > Upscope L1Track could be as late as NSF allows, but if ATLAS 
> > > > > starts
> > > > >      > planning to do it might need to be earlier. Not sure how that
> > > > >     fits in
> > > > >      > the earliest/latest concept.
> > > > >      >
> > > > >      > 4. please provide a rank-ordered list of remaining work 
> > > > > packages
> > > > >     (in the
> > > > >      > pre-MREFC project) - what are you most concerned about? Please
> > > > >     mention
> > > > >      > your “plan B's”.
> > > > >      > Global: Delay in Specification Review (currently planned for 
> > > > > 1st
> > > > >     week
> > > > >      > December) means framework design not approved before MREFC 
> > > > > start.
> > > > >      >
> > > > >      > Elliot
> > > > >      >
> > > > >      >
> > > > >      >
> > > > >      >
> > > > >      > On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 9:30 PM John Parsons
> > > > >     <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu <mailto:parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu>
> > > > >      > <mailto:parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu
> > > > >     <mailto:parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu>>> wrote:
> > > > >      >
> > > > >      >
> > > > >      >     And here is LAr.
> > > > >      >
> > > > >      >              John
> > > > >      >
> > > > >      >
> > > > >      >     On 9/11/19 9:14 PM, Thomas Schwarz wrote:
> > > > >      >      > Here's muons
> > > > >      >      >
> > > > >      >      > Tom
> > > > >      >      >
> > > > >      >      >
> > > > >      >      >
> > > > >      >      > ===================
> > > > >      >      > Tom Schwarz
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> > > > >      >      > On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 9:09 PM Gustaaf Brooijmans
> > > > >      >      > <gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu
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> > > > >     <mailto:gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu 
> > > > > <mailto:gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu>>
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> > > > >      >     <mailto:gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu
> > > > >     <mailto:gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu>>>> wrote:
> > > > >      >      >
> > > > >      >      >
> > > > >      >      >     Hello all,
> > > > >      >      >
> > > > >      >      >     Attached is the current set.  Please send your
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> > > > >      >     asap.
> > > > >      >      >
> > > > >      >      >     Thx
> > > > >      >      >
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> > > > >     Als sie mich holten,
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