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[John Parsons <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu>]

Hi Penka,

        These tables don't seem to be correct.
Take 6.4.2 as an example.  The first task group,
labeled "Empty" is preMREFC, so it should
not be included anyway.  Then after "Slice Board
Testing", you are missing Prototype, Preproduction,
Production Design, Production.  I attach the
latest Scrubbing Report, where you see these
task groups.  Why don't they appear in your
table?
        Maybe the problem is that the "task group"
names are missing?  But we have structure at L5
in the WBS, from 6.4.2.1.1 (preMREFC) through
6.4.2.1.7 (Production), and even 6.4.2.1.8 which
is for software licenses and not very important.
The L5 structure provides some sense to the
organization, which is totally missing from your table.
So, I think we should instead organize according to L5
and see how that looks.  Otherwise essentially
everything is rolled up, and you can't see what
is going on.

        Regards,
                John

On 7/15/19 3:47 PM, Novakova, Penka N wrote:
> Hi John,
> Normally the BOE tables go to Task Group level but in the case of LAr there are 
> many missing task groups so the report just shows <Empty>. I am attaching the 
> report with the task groups. We can also add level 5 if this is something you want. 
> Let me know.
> Thanks,
> penka
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Parsons <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu>
> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 3:32 PM
> To: Ma, Hong <hma AT bnl.gov>; Tim Andeen <timothy.robert.andeen AT cern.ch>; Gustaaf H 
> Brooijmans <gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu>
> Cc: usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l AT lists.bnl.gov; Novakova, Penka N <penka AT bnl.gov>
> Subject: Re: [Usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l] BOE for NSF DR - question about tables
>
>
> Hi Penka,
>
>         Sorry to pester, but any word on these BOE tables?  Do we go ahead 
> with what we have in docdb 840, or are new tables being made?
>         Thanks,
>                 John
>
> On 7/14/19 12:34 PM, John Parsons wrote:
> > Hi Penka,
> >
> >       We have noticed the LAr BOE tables are much less detailed than
> > the version we used for PDR.  Is that intentional?  Should we go ahead
> > and use those tables?  (ie. in docdb 840)
> >       Thanks,
> >           John
> >
> > On 7/14/19 12:25 PM, Ma, Hong wrote:
> > > Hi Tim,
> > >
> > >                   We had the similar problem with the DOE BOE table,
> > > that the level of details is very different from the previous one.
> > >
> > > I asked Penka, she acknowledged that it was a mistake.   For DOE IPR,
> > > there was no change in the direct cost since the Directors Review in
> > > May.  The only difference is that they changed the labels of the
> > > column. So we simply change the labels, instead of replacing the table.
> > >
> > >                   I don’t think it is the case for NSF. We should ask
> > > Penka to make the right tables.
> > >
> > >                   Hong.
> > >
> > > *From: *Usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l
> > > <usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l-bounces AT lists.bnl.gov> on behalf of Tim
> > > Andeen <timothy.robert.andeen AT cern.ch>
> > > *Date: *Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 11:17 AM
> > > *To: *John Parsons <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu>,
> > > "usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l AT lists.bnl.gov"
> > > <usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
> > > *Subject: *[Usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l] BOE for NSF DR - question about
> > > tables
> > >
> > > Hi John,
> > >
> > > I was just putting the new charts in the BOE and checking and
> > > updating numbers, but before I send it to docdb I have one question:
> > > The Cost Estimate table (1 DRFDR_NSF 6.04 L2 LAr BOE Tables 20190625)
> > > in docdb
> > > 840 has a lot less detail than before. Is that expected? Or am I
> > > missing it in a different file? thanks.
> > >
> > > best, Tim
>
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