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["Xu, Hao" <haoxu AT bnl.gov>]

Thanks Andy. Please see my reply below.

>>Slide 2: This is the total cost _after_ BCP 069?
Yes, it's after BCP 069.

>>Why BNL_P_3_AP2 BNL Professional 3 so high in FY24?
More efforts are needed in FY24, since FEB2 Pre-production and production 
start in FY24, the test stand will be developed, integrated and FEB2 will be 
tested. sRTM test will be performed to prepare for FDR and PRR.

 >>What is BCP 075 for?
BCP 075 will add resources, from LAr positive cost variances, for FEB2 and 
sRTM test stand development. It will fix some bugs from previous COVID BCP.
I will add a slide to backup.

>>Slide 3: What is the effect on this WBS from the COVID BCP?
Resources have been added to reduce the effect of low efficiency caused by 
COVID. 

>>The BE crate setup will be built at CERN, but by who? BNL still? 
I don't know who will be responsible for building the test setup at CERN. BNL 
will only participate in the BEC test.

>>The BOE still says "The backend test stand will be built to perform the 
>>integration test of the BE electronics...".
>>Has the BOE just not been updated??
>>I still don't know what BCP 075 will do.
Only BEC test is eliminated. We still need to build test setup to validate 
sRTM, and LASP-sRTM full readout chain. So this is kept in the BOE.

>>Slide 5: The first table is too fuzzy to read.
>>That fuzzy table seems to include 17k for "software", but isn't that 
>>already in the second table? What is the software?
It's ~$24k for license fee each year, as listed in the second table. The cost 
is spread to all tasks.  

>>For the BOE:
>>I don't understand why it talks about "test board manufacturing costs". The 
>>slides indicate that we're just buying dev boards. 
>>Are we building any boards in this WBS??
Yes, we still build boards for test stand construction. For example, we share 
development with TDAQ to use GCM/GRM for LASP/sRTM test and FELIX for FEB2 
readout. 
We build Calibration Distribution Board ( and Flex cable) /Calibration test 
board for FEB2 signal injection, when official calibration board is not 
available.

>>Since the majority of the cost of this WBS is labor, and it's based on 
>>phase I (and earlier) experience, could we not have an attachment detailing 
>>the phase I labor? 
>>In general, it's not very clear exactly what each person is working on and 
>>when for this WBS.
We have a drilldown example to explain the estimate of FEB2 production test 
procedures based on FEB test, which was used for CD1 review. I can post it in 
the BOE if needed. 
In Omega group, we share people among different projects. For this WBS, it 
needs effort on hardware/firmware/software development, so we have different 
people work on different parts. It's organized by group leader Michael Begel. 
 

Regards,
Hao

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To: Parsons, John <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu>
Cc: usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l AT lists.bnl.gov
Subject: Re: [Usatlas-hllhc-lartl2l3-l] weekly mtg and other issues

Here are my comments on Hao's slides and BOE.

Slide 2: This is the total cost _after_ BCP 069?
Why BNL_P_3_AP2 BNL Professional 3 so high in FY24?
What is BCP 075 for?

Slide 3: What is the effect on this WBS from the COVID BCP?
The BE crate setup will be built at CERN, but by who? BNL still? The BOE 
still says "The backend test stand will be built to perform the integration 
test of the BE electronics...".
Has the BOE just not been updated??
I still don't know what BCP 075 will do.

Slide 5: The first table is too fuzzy to read.
That fuzzy table seems to include 17k for "software", but isn't that already 
in the second table? What is the software?

For the BOE:
I don't understand why it talks about "test board manufacturing costs". The 
slides indicate that we're just buying dev boards. Are we building any boards 
in this WBS??
Since the majority of the cost of this WBS is labor, and it's based on phase 
I (and earlier) experience, could we not have an attachment detailing the 
phase I labor? In general, it's not very clear exactly what each person is 
working on and when for this WBS.


On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 10:46 PM John Parsons <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu> 
wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>          We will meet Friday at our usual time.  The indico page is at 
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__indico.bnl.gov_ev
> ent_15546_&d=DwICAg&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=y4qQBOsjsdgJNx-_8SvpS97
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>  .  In addition to the usual roundtable, we will discuss preparations for 
> the DOE RLS scrubbing that will happen next Wed. (see 
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__indico.bnl.gov_event_15406_&d=DwICAg&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=y4qQBOsjsdgJNx-_8SvpS9786vHE4GOddPXp1ozJgWc&m=KYta6_jQMkuN6xO_qteMf60cetz0s9eRiWRDMinw9G7jS8gX-Qfwc5nmfe1tMV4S&s=8ExQigeuYbHqw5bcu5I5m24XJ2AX6W8MCu07aY4C_eg&e=
>  ).
>         Before Friday's meeting, Hong and Hao should upload to 
> Friday's Indico their relevant documents for the scrubbing.  We will 
> look at them briefly together on Friday. Then, to help with the DOE 
> scrubbing preparations, I would like to ask Tim to read over Hong's 
> PA/S documents, and Andy to read over Hao's System Integration 
> documents, and to provide feedback latest by noon on Tues. May 3.  I 
> will also go over both sets of documents.  That should give Hong and 
> Hao some time to incorporate any changes before the scrubbing with the PO 
> on Wed. May 4.
>
>         Another issue: during our weekly meeting on Apr. 8, we went 
> over any RR changes to be made as part of the quarterly RR review. I 
> need now to collect all the final changes and propagate them to the 
> PO. Please make sure the RR version you uploaded to the Apr. 8 Indico 
> reflects all the changes to be made to your L3, updated as necessary 
> following the discussions we had.
>
>         Regards,
>                 John
> --
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