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- From: Alexander Kiselev <kisselev AT mail.desy.de>
- To: "Palmer, Robert" <palmer AT bnl.gov>
- Cc: "E-rhic-ir-l AT lists.bnl.gov" <E-rhic-ir-l AT lists.bnl.gov>
- Subject: Re: [E-rhic-ir-l] Discussion of parameter choices
- Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 21:12:06 +0100 (CET)
Hi Bob,
This tells me that even if we do some running with High Acceptance (but lower
Luminosity) parameters, to better measure low pt tracks, we may still want
also to run
with higher luminosity to give better data at higher pt.
I find this particular suggestion very interesting. Indeed, as long as the rest of the physics program allows, one can think of collecting the particular data we are talking about in two chunks (one low lumi and small divergence, the other one high lumi and large divergence) and then glue the samples together using mid Pt range.
Cheers,
Alexander.
But now look at Richard’s earlier results. His slide 9 bottom left, is
disappointing, but remember that
a) he does not include the forward calorimeter that will raise the efficiency
at the high pt end to near 100%; and
b) He is using parameters with three times the luminosity assumed in the
later slides and my points 1-5; so
c) It shows efficiencies below 0.4 GeV/c of only 7-8 %, but this corresponds
about 20% of luminosity times efficiency, while that at higher pt is around
50% x 3 = 150%
. With the forward spectrometer, that rises to nearer to 300%. These are both
well above that used in the slide 19 example, and not obviously a disaster.
Can this be improved?
Richard is doing an analysis with half the momentum spread. I can make an
estimate of what he will conclude by assuming the case when dispersion x
momentum spread
there dominates over the betatron size. The efficiency then is set just by
the area under the xl (outgoing proton moment as fraction of their incoming
momenta) with
values less than (1.0 - Disp x dp/p). using the distribution from Elke for
20 x 250 GeV, I get
dp/p efficiency Luminosity
Product
6.5 e-4 7% 2.89
0.202 1.0
3.25e-4 17% 1.91
0.324 1.6
1.62e-4 34% 1.05
0.357 1.76
I am taking the 7% here to be a confirmation of Richard’s 7-8%. If So, with
half the momentum spread (presumably with twice the bunch length) I am
expecting him to get
around 17%. If I use Mike B’s code for hourglass and crab effects for twice
the bunch length, I get Lum=66%. We appear to win by a factor 1.6 giving Lum
x eff = 34%
below 0.4 GeV/c and something approaching 200 % at the high energy end using
the forward spectrometer. These are only rough estimates, but are encouraging.
The alternative approach would be to go back to ‘High Acceptance’ parameters.
This would give around 50% at low pt but only 100 % at high pt. This is not
obviously an
improvement. The loss of high pt data could beat the gain at low pt. More
study is needed. Some ideal mix of High Acceptance and High Luminosity might
give the best
overall performance. At least for the moment, the conclusion is that we have
more than one approach; we have the tools; and we will continue the studies.
There is a quite separate question about the relative advantages of higher
luminosity using higher divergences in the y direction. The gains with
luminosity will have
to be balanced by the increased errors in pt measurements with or without
transverse momentum dynamic fitting. Again we have the tools and will
continue the studies.
Bob
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Re: [E-rhic-ir-l] Discussion of parameter choices,
Palmer, Robert, 03/09/2017
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Re: [E-rhic-ir-l] Discussion of parameter choices,
Aschenauer Elke-Caroline, 03/09/2017
- Re: [E-rhic-ir-l] Discussion of parameter choices, Palmer, Robert, 03/09/2017
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
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Re: [E-rhic-ir-l] Discussion of parameter choices,
Alexander Kiselev, 03/10/2017
- Re: [E-rhic-ir-l] Discussion of parameter choices, Palmer, Robert, 03/13/2017
- Re: [E-rhic-ir-l] Discussion of parameter choices, Palmer, Robert, 03/20/2017
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Re: [E-rhic-ir-l] Discussion of parameter choices,
Palmer, Robert, 03/30/2017
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Re: [E-rhic-ir-l] Discussion of parameter choices,
Alexander Kiselev, 03/30/2017
- Re: [E-rhic-ir-l] Discussion of parameter choices, Alexander Bazilevsky, 03/31/2017
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Re: [E-rhic-ir-l] Discussion of parameter choices,
Alexander Kiselev, 03/30/2017
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Re: [E-rhic-ir-l] Discussion of parameter choices,
Aschenauer Elke-Caroline, 03/09/2017
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