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Re: [Sphenix-l] [sPH-GEN-2017-002] Collaboration comments on 2017 descoping document
- From: John Haggerty <haggerty AT bnl.gov>
- To: sphenix-l AT lists.bnl.gov
- Subject: Re: [Sphenix-l] [sPH-GEN-2017-002] Collaboration comments on 2017 descoping document
- Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 00:26:11 -0400
Gunther and Dave,
Speaking as a high official of the project, it is good to see that the collaboration can agree on a plan to bring the costs within the boundaries the lab has asked. As you know, I have looked into more radical changes without expending engineering effort on them, but I cannot see any better alternative to this proposal that could come anywhere near being ready in 202{1,2,3}
Speaking as a member of the collaboration, I think we should try to convey more of a sense of loss and sacrifice. Cutting the emcal acceptance in particular seems like a double whammy, because it not only cuts the acceptance, it makes the whole calorimeter system thinner, and I have even wondered whether the un-descoped detector is thick enough, and with the Inner HCAL probably gone, the fiducial region is pretty small. Experiments often recover that region with endcap or end plug calorimeters, but I don't think that's a viable option for us, because it introduces a boundary which is inherently non-uniform.
Another concern is the unknown unknowns we have introduced with the odd longitudinal segmentation in the calorimeters... sure, there is now a lot of evidence that the signals look not so bad with this arrangement, but violating the conventional wisdom is often punished harshly by nature. I don't know that we can say with certainty that the vast background ocean of low pt particles, jets, and slow secondaries which are now spinning around inside the magnet but outside the emcal do not have some very unfortunate effects. I have not been able to put my finger on exactly what we should look for, but I think we have to keep looking for trouble.
I know these are not very well formulated objections, and so may be impossible to take account, but I thought it might be useful to put them out there in case it inspires someone smarter than me to see more clearly where we might be going off the rails.
On 10/21/17 12:02 AM, Gunther M Roland wrote:
Friends,
As discussed at the General Meeting today, we are forwarding draft 1 of our
document outlining the detector scope for a $32M cost cap. The pdf file can
be found at
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5wyutbndogozm5q/sPH-GEN-2017-002_v1.pdf?dl=0
(we'll provide another link tomorrow for those that can't access dropbox)
Please send your comments in reply to this mail, keeping the
[sPH-GEN-2017-002] tag in the subject line***. Comments received by
close-of-business on Monday, 10/23, will be most useful.
Cheers,
Gunther and Dave
***we will move future reviews to an sphenix-notes-l AT bnl.gov list, but the
list couldn't be generated in time for this note.
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Re: [Sphenix-l] [sPH-GEN-2017-002] Collaboration comments on 2017 descoping document,
Gunther M Roland, 10/24/2017
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Re: [Sphenix-l] [sPH-GEN-2017-002] Collaboration comments on 2017 descoping document,
John Haggerty, 10/24/2017
- Re: [Sphenix-l] [sPH-GEN-2017-002] Collaboration comments on 2017 descoping document, Edward Kistenev, 10/24/2017
- Re: [Sphenix-l] [sPH-GEN-2017-002] Collaboration comments on 2017 descoping document, Gunther M Roland, 10/24/2017
- Re: [Sphenix-l] [sPH-GEN-2017-002] Collaboration comments on 2017 descoping document, John Lajoie, 10/24/2017
- Re: [Sphenix-l] [sPH-GEN-2017-002] Collaboration comments on 2017 descoping document, woody, 10/24/2017
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Re: [Sphenix-l] [sPH-GEN-2017-002] Collaboration comments on 2017 descoping document,
Gunther M Roland, 10/24/2017
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Re: [Sphenix-l] [sPH-GEN-2017-002] Collaboration comments on 2017 descoping document,
woody, 10/24/2017
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