STAR HardProbes PWG

[Andrew Tamis <andrew.tamis AT yale.edu>]

Hi All, 

Thank you for the comments!

I have decided to remove the detector level data, leaving the comparison between PYTHIA and Geant.  Showing that these agree relatively well will give justification that the needed unfolding effects will be small, and because of this data won't be shown until unfolding is completed.

In addition I have addressed comments given here

Nihar's Comments

"_Before SLide14, you could introduce STAR detector system and what are
the detectors you plan to use for your measurement? A short intro is
sufficient."

I will verbally introduce STAR and the TPC, but as i am now no longer showing data, is introduction of the specific detectors still needed? please let me know.

Slide 14 and 15 have been removed/changed

Slide16:
_Interesting behavior in response to pT cuts -> PYTHIA6 simulation: EEC
shows a dependence on jet p_{T}
_Robust to pT-independent tracking efficiency effects -> should we say
this a "robust" or "mild" "negligible" pT-dependent ?
    We have not checked yet with pT-dependent tracking efficiency.
(Slide13)
_ last two bullets "Detector-Level measurement done in STAR p+p run 12 
and Unfolding in progress " I would just say combining "First
measurement of ECC in pp sqrt(s)=200 GeV is in progress in STAR"

Done.

Barbara's comments

- s5,6: increase text size of the bullet points.

- s8-9: label the left plots Pythia and add the version. I would also suggest adding on the top of the plots a bigger label with the jet pT information. Right now it's hidden in the "Parameters", so it might not be so obvious to everyone that moving to STAR energy means lowering the jet pT range. 

Done.

I have uploaded the updated draft, please let me know if you have any additional comments

Best,

Andrew

On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 1:09 AM Sooraj Radhakrishnan via Star-hp-l <star-hp-l AT lists.bnl.gov> wrote:

Hi Barbara, Andrew,

   //s15: to address Sooraj's concerns, which I also share, I would propose to remove "PYTHIA 6" and "GEANT" points and leave the raw detector level data distributions. What do you think?//

Yes, this would also be an option. It is up to Andrew to decide which progress and message he wants to show 

thanks

Sooraj

On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 11:40 PM Barbara Trzeciak <barbara.trzeciak AT gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Andrew,

nice slides, please see my comments below.

- s5,6: increase text size of the bullet points.

- s8-9: label the left plots Pythia and add the version. I would also suggest adding on the top of the plots a bigger label with the jet pT information. Right now it's hidden in the "Parameters", so it might not be so obvious to everyone that moving to STAR energy means lowering the jet pT range. 

- s14: pp Run12 -> add energy and centrality

- s15: to address Sooraj's concerns, which I also share, I would propose to remove "PYTHIA 6" and "GEANT" points and leave the raw detector level data distributions. What do you think?

Sooraj, would that work for you ?

Cheers,

Barbara

On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 12:36 PM Sooraj Radhakrishnan via Star-hp-l <star-hp-l AT lists.bnl.gov> wrote:

Hi Andrew,

   Are you referring to the plots of S9/10 as performance plots? From your S15, comparing PYTHIA and GEANT, the detector effects seem to be small. So I have a concern that we will be in effect showing the data as preliminary results. I believe you are not ready to release the results without the systematics and unfolding done. So I would suggest not to show data points for the energy correlator, rather some other performance plots that would indicate your progress and STAR's ability to do the measurements. Let me know what you think

thanks

Sooraj

On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 12:29 PM Nihar Sahoo <nihar AT rcf.rhic.bnl.gov> wrote:

Hello Tamis,

It is a good study on this new observable.
AFA Pythia study is concern, I don't have any comments.
I have some minor comments on your data analysis slides.

_ Before SLide14, you could introduce STAR detector system and what are
the detectors you plan to use for your measurement? A short intro is
sufficient.

Slide14:
_ pp Run12 -> pp sqrt(s)=200 GeV (year 2012)
_Trigger - JP2 -> As no one know what is JP2, so it would be good to
mention "Jet patch trigger" (here 2 is not necessary for outside world
as you describe details about this trigger in sub-bullet)
_ Constituent PT ->  Constituent Transverse momentum, p_{T}
_Official Embedding, PYTHIA 6  -> PYTHIA6+STAR Géant simulation

Slide15:
_ Please include "pp sqrt(s) =200 GeV" as legend
_ Detector level data retains trends in jet momentum selection ->
Detector level data retains trends in jet p_{T} selection

Slide16:
_Interesting behavior in response to pT cuts -> PYTHIA6 simulation: EEC
shows a dependence on jet p_{T}
_Robust to pT-independent tracking efficiency effects -> should we say
this a "robust" or "mild" "negligible" pT-dependent ?
    We have not checked yet with pT-dependent tracking efficiency.
(Slide13)
_ last two bullets "Detector-Level measurement done in STAR p+p run 12 
and Unfolding in progress " I would just say combining "First
measurement of ECC in pp sqrt(s)=200 GeV is in progress in STAR"


Cheers
Nihar

On 2022-10-17 23:00, Andrew Tamis via Star-hp-l wrote:
> Hi Sooraj,
>
> I think I would like to show the PYTHIA results and performance plots
> and hold off on a preliminary request until I get farther along with
> unfolding.  Do you mean that I should show the performance plots of
> detector level data without the comparison to PYTHIA/Geant?
>
> Best,
> Andrew
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 8:59 AM Sooraj Radhakrishnan via Star-hp-l
> <star-hp-l AT lists.bnl.gov> wrote:
>
>> Hi Andrew,
>> Thanks for preparing these nice slides. Since you show detector
>> level and generator level PYTHIA distribution are quite similar, I
>> wonder if the results should be labelled STAR Preliminary, as they
>> can be argued to be close to the physics results. Do you want to
>> show the data also at DNP or just the PYTHIA results and give some
>> performance plots for data?
>>
>> thanks
>> Sooraj
>>
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Sooraj Radhakrishnan

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Department of Physics

Kent State University

Kent, OH 44243

Physicist Postdoctoral Affiliate

Nuclear Science Division
Lawrence Berkeley National Lab
MS70R0319, One Cyclotron Road

Berkeley, CA 94720

Ph: 510-495-2473

Email: skradhakrishnan AT lbl.gov

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Department of Physics

Kent State University

Kent, OH 44243

Physicist Postdoctoral Affiliate

Nuclear Science Division
Lawrence Berkeley National Lab
MS70R0319, One Cyclotron Road

Berkeley, CA 94720

Ph: 510-495-2473

Email: skradhakrishnan AT lbl.gov

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