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[Michael Tuts <tuts AT pmtuts.net>]

Unless I missed a "...U_COST..." then that is what is in the RLS though

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From: John Parsons <parsons AT nevis.columbia.edu> 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 9:06 PM
To: Michael Tuts <tuts AT pmtuts.net>; Gustaaf Brooijmans 
<gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu>; Fisher, Wade <fisherw AT msu.edu>; Tim Andeen 
<timothy.robert.andeen AT cern.ch>; Schwienhorst, Reinhard <schwier AT msu.edu>; 
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Subject: Re: [Usatlas-hllhc-l2deputymgmt-nsf-l] Some notes from CAM 
interviews - day 1


You should be aware that these numbers seem quite inconsistent across L2s, in 
particular since some show L2 and L3 management FTEs while others do not.

                John

On 8/17/21 6:58 PM, Michael Tuts wrote:
> Hi All,
> I made a backup slide for my talk tomorrow regarding scientific (uncosted) 
> labor (based on the July IPD file for time phased NSF FTE but filtering on 
> "...U_COST_..." resources. The first tab shows it for L2 with a plot, and 
> the second tab shows the detail for each WBS L3 with a list of the specific 
> uncosted resources. Maybe this is helpful should the issue come up tomorrow 
> - not that I expect it to, but you never know.
> Cheers, Mike
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustaaf Brooijmans <gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 2:51 PM
> To: Fisher, Wade <fisherw AT msu.edu>; Tim Andeen 
> <timothy.robert.andeen AT cern.ch>; Schwienhorst, Reinhard 
> <schwier AT msu.edu>; Novakova, Penka N <penka AT bnl.gov>; Michael Tuts 
> <tuts AT nevis.columbia.edu>
> Subject: Re: Some notes from CAM interviews - day 1
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> So where this is particularly relevant from an EVMS perspective is that 
> since we don't pay for scientific labor, it doesn't enter any of the 
> standard EVMS metrics (it has $0 BCWS, BCWP and ACWP).  The usual follow-up 
> question is "how do you measure progress then"?  And our answer is that 
> almost every task with uncosted labor has at least as much costed labor.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Gustaaf
> 
> On 8/17/21 2:23 PM, Fisher, Wade wrote:
>> Hi Gustaaf,
>>
>> Yes, Carrie also sent a correction on the uncosted labor.  Somehow I 
>> had gotten it into my mind that the question was about costed 
>> scientific labor and couldn't turn my brain around after that.  
>> Thanks for trying to get me on the right path, though!
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Wade
>>
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>> *From:* Gustaaf Brooijmans <gusbroo AT nevis.columbia.edu>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2021 2:14 PM
>> *To:* Fisher, Wade <fisherw AT msu.edu>; Tim Andeen 
>> <timothy.robert.andeen AT cern.ch>; Schwienhorst, Reinhard 
>> <schwier AT msu.edu>; Novakova, Penka N <penka AT bnl.gov>; Michael Tuts 
>> <tuts AT nevis.columbia.edu>
>> *Subject:* Some notes from CAM interviews - day 1
>>
>> Hello Wade,
>>
>> Well done.  A few small mistakes listed below.  Two are also relevant 
>> for Tim and Reinhard, so cc'd.
>>
>> -Yes, there is uncosted labor in the 6.8.3 RLS.  Quite a bit.
>>
>> -Schedule variance and cost variance are independent!  A schedule 
>> variance does not create a cost variance and vice-versa: a schedule 
>> variance refers to work not done (or done ahead of time), whereas a 
>> cost variance measures the difference in planned vs actual cost for 
>> *work done only*.
>>
>> -The one year delay in the schedule that was already implemented in 
>> the need-by dates is not COVID-related.  It's due to the "original LS2"
>> delay.  There is likely to be another delay, that one due to covid.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Gustaaf
>>
> 
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